You guys just don't get it

[simshell]

Originally posted by Ghosth
What it all boils down to in the end is this.

The first rule of Aces High.

"Don't tell someone else how to play HIS game, its his 15$ a month"

Its amazing how many people don't get this.

Its HIS money, if he wants to fly a spit its his RIGHT!


So called "Dweeb" planes are not planes that are necessarily that easy to fly. Its planes that are that HARD to kill.  Its FEAR talking, trying to label them, stick them in a box, make them fly something else that they THINK they can kill easier.

There is NOTHING  I fear worse than a spit 5k above me. Doesn't matter what I'm in, if he plays his altitude cards right I'm dead.


So everytime you hear someone say "dweeb" plane, laugh. Cause they are obviously afraid, and your not.

GIVE ME MY ME262 TEMPEST WITHOUT PERKS WHEN EVER I WANT ITS MY 15$ WHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here is a nice list for people that dont want to fly the big5 but still want a good chance

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LA5
P47D-40 or anyother model
F4U-any model
F6F
F4F for the spits
190A-5 190a-8
KI-61
P51B
109f-4 109g-2 109g-6
Mossie not good to HO with it its a lighter and its a big target
YAK U or T

[BUG_EAF322]

i had a good fight lately with another yak 1 on 1 . He even had some alt advantage.

finaly i killed the yak it wasn't easy. (microscopic litle plane compared to a big P38)

than i looked at his rank  and he was a nr 2.




mine rank between about 300-400

[Fruda]

I actually like doing a mid-alt (7k feet) drop onto enemies and doing a series of passes in the 109 series. I usually take little damage that way, and I managed to land 4 victories (with almost 20 points) in a 109E4 that way.

My mount is currently the 109G6 with gondola cannons attached, along with the 30mm single cannon. The run and gun technique works wonders on low La-7's and N1K's, as well as your token Spitfires.

I really don't see what your problem is. It's easy to get past these wimps who fly low N1K's and La-7's if you use the planes the way they were meant to be used (no turn fighting with the Fw series, please). Furballing isn't everything, you know.

Just because you like turn fighting doesn't mean that every one else has to.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Urchin

I don't know if the turn-over is simply so high that we see different newbies in the same planes, flying the exact same way, or if we see the same newbies still flying the same plane the exact same way after months or years of playing... but it seems like the MA is stagnant.

First i will sat Thanks to Urchin for teaching me some stuff a while back.
Secondly...after some thought. I think a lot more of us would be willing to fight nearly any other plane as long as it was a 1v1.
Example of this was last night.
I was in a 109G10 seen a dot in the distance and vectored towards it. I found it hard to get any closure on it .wait..not an La7..cause it had way too much speed at the early high alt when first spotted...Must be an 109G10 190D9..or something...I shall BnZ this bogey>. Then the dot dove towards it own base. I decided the best approach would be to drop a few thousand feet and pursue the con. Then the con was down on the deck and headed away from its base. At this point i decided i would drop to its level..If the fight should go vertical i will still have an edge> Finally im closing on his 6 on the DECK now Tally a 109!!....but what variant?...must be an 109g-10 with all that speed and the time it took my g-10 to close on it.
I close to within 1K and he goes into a high yo-yo and curls under me. As expected...
IZoom...then Boom....I Zoom again and Boom again….closing the gap but keeping enough distance to allow this G-10 its turning radius at the speeds im going. Just like its supposed to work
Again i Zoom and Boom... Still thinking im against a 109g-10 i decided to drop on his dead six.....chop the throttle and when he breaks of course if we are in the same AC i can stay on his six all day long.
WRONG!!!!!!! he Broke i chopped and broke with him...within 720 degrees or so he was all over me!!!!!!
GSholtz shot you down.
Guess what?  I tune him private...saluted him and found out he was flying a 109f-4!!!! Doh!!!
we chatted for a while...he said i should have continued to BnZ...and i felt STUPID!!!!!!!!!
But it was great fun and a learning experience. I love these kinds of fights win or lose.
Pick me and I wont be impressed. If I pick you shouldn’t be impressed. But these methodical fights are what its all about. Yes I Pick and yes I get picked. It’s part of the game. But there is no learning substitute for the type of fight Gsholz and I had. It’s all about decisions. Make the right one…win...make the wrong one and a clear advantage is blown. And its time to sweat!
 I would fight against any other plane if i were in say a 109G6 or even a P40 or any plane. I would lose plenty but i would feel no shame or anger if i lost in such an event. But in the MA I think for many it has evolved into something different. They fly planes they can survive in. In situations where they stand a good chance of being Cherry Picked....dragged to their opponents fellow countrymen...ect. they want to be able to have confidence in such diversities. For most players. In a spit they know they can break turn out of the way of a Boomer and still have enough speed to turn with the Stalers.
well....there are a lot of thoughts on this subject. I’m not sure what the answer is. If there even is one needed. The MA is what it is. Things that make us go hmmmm.

[phookat]

La5 outclimbs G10?  Not as far as I've seen...

[Fauxbra]

Pssst...the Dora is a Dweeb ride too. Just a RCH less Dweeby than the LA7 and the Niki. But sometimes it just feels good to fly those "more forgiving" planes , dont bother me in the least.

[Fruda]

Fauxbra is the reason I went Rooks.

I was talking about all Fw's, not just the Dora. And the 190's are certainly not forgiveable to fly, as they're prone to stalling in even loose turns.

I know that the N1K and Spit IX attract the n00b pilots, but when it comes down to it, you whine about them because you're nothing but turn fighters. If you run and gun a N1K in a 109, there's no way it can catch you. I'm not saying to run away from the fight; I'm saying to make a series of passes, therefore avoiding turn fighting.

Quit whining and try something different.

[mechanic]

Originally posted by ZAMO
lol Its all so relative........

Some of my best pilots list are high ranked....ummmm Taki......Furball....etc I have fought against them and I always had a blast. Some others high ranked are rook and I never fought against them. I couldnt tell.

Some of my best pilots list arent high ranked....ummmm Greebo, Nelcan, Wingzero, DmnCoach...etc etc.

So I cant tell rank means nothing...at least...half of them are very good for me.

Another thing is that I have never understood the definition of "dweeb plane". I guess it has been said here lots of time by people. Its not about the plane...its about the man.

Some people are the best with 190s.....dweebs?

Some people are the best with spits...dweebs?

Some people are the best with P51......dweebs?

Some peolple are very good with spits, 190s, F6F..whatever.

Some people are very good at rtb with lots of kills, even from outnumbered situations....cherry pickers? gangbangers? vulquers?....is 1/3 of the population able to do that if they would try to? hehe

Some people fly an SPIT or a La7 and they fly at 5 k waiting to be attacked by 3 higher enemies all at once...this man kill them all....SPITDWEEB?? LOL

Some people talk more than they kill (lately me)

Some people kill more than they talk

Some guys are excellent at looking at STATS players and they can guess if the pilot sucks or not !!!!!!! or they way he fights!!! just looking at his stats LOL.


For me the bottom line is: quit of the arena all those "dweeb planes" and you will have the same "level of dweebery".

If I see a high ranked pilot in the arena..i give him a 90% he is a hot stick.

If I see a not high ranked pilot in the arena...i give him a 70 % he is a hot stick

well said Zamo!

but they wont listen, they will still go on with the whines till the day the MA is just Goons and PT boats......and 109s

i a Spit5 pilot who stays below 10k always, and i love fighting to the death even when outnumbered 5 to 1

am i a dweeb?

only in your eyes, whine crew

I have some films of me on my own fighting many, many bad guys and sometimes winning and landing 5 kills.

does this make me a dweeb?

it makes me proud personaly, but 'dweeb-er-ise' me if you must

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by phookat
La5 outclimbs G10?  Not as far as I've seen...

Welp..its close actually. The G10 from Sea Level to about 6k Military power out climbs the La5..But from 6K to about 8K the LA5 has the edge at military power. added It is in this few thousand that you can zoom up with a lazy 109g-10 pilot and surprise the britches off em. While you are correct in general. I use the LA5 for base defense specifically to deal with 109s and 190d9. And kill Many Many G-10s and D9s in the vertical because they under estimate the La5.
But yes...the 109g-10 is the exception. It does basically outclimb the La5 across the board. The G-2 is also a close match below 7K.
Thats about it with the exception of the Perk plane set.

[AKWarp]

LOL!

I love it when a spit pilot whines because I won't "come and fight" him when I'm in a BnZ plane.  Well duh!  I'll fight, but certainly not on his terms.  

The Turn n Burn crowd just hate the fact that the Boom n Zoom planes will be the ones that dictate when the fight is on.  It's just the rules of physics guys.  If you're a turner, the only thing you can do is be ready when the speed monster decides he wants to fight (if he does).  If a d9 pilot tries to turn fight, he deserves to die.  It's not what that plane does well.  It ain't about opinion and it ain't about being a "wussy", it's about using your plane to its best advantage...anyhting less is stupid.

Smart turn fighters can nab boomers if they do it right and vice versa.  Learn the plane and learn how to use it.  

Easier said than done of course

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by AKWarp
I love it when a spit pilot whines because I won't "come and fight" him when I'm in a BnZ plane.  Well duh!  I'll fight, but certainly not on his terms.  

I don't think it's a BnZ vs. TnB thing.  Most turnfighters understand that faster, more poorly turning planes shouldn't and won't turnfight.  I see many of the complaints here concern aggression vs. nonaggression.

It's a mistake to think that BnZ necessarily requires flying boringly or unaggressively.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Morpheus]

I still dont get what we're not getting.

[mechanic]

dont worry morph, they dont have a clue what they are whining about either really.

it seems to be just a chance to whine/counter-whine with the same old 'you're a dweeb and i'm an ace' rant.

so why not put some fuel on the fire and maybe it will deteriate to a level where it gets skuzzified. if we are lucky



Batfink

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I don't think it's a BnZ vs. TnB thing.  Most turnfighters understand that faster, more poorly turning planes shouldn't and won't turnfight.  I see many of the complaints here concern aggression vs. nonaggression.

It's a mistake to think that BnZ necessarily requires flying boringly or unaggressively.

-- Todd/Leviathn

That's what I'm talkin' about. These guys that come in at 400+ and extend to 5-6k, rinse and repeat are just clueless.

Although I still think b-n-z takes very little skill. That's why noobs fly Pee51s and run90s and fly so timid.

( That should start the ball rolling Bat! )

[TequilaChaser]

Simaril was trying to say that the ones that whine about all the spits, nikis, La's. 51s flying should step up and help these particular flyers out in learning other aircraft instead of whining about it, because he thinks they have not learned the ins and outs of other planes.....

or the ones who run away from a fair Co-e 1 on 1 fight or Blow by miss a guns solution then run for ever extending, before reversing if they ever do.

He says we older long time flyers should take them under our wing and offer advice.......not tell them what plane to fly, but how to fly their choice of plane better.

In his intial post he asked each of us ( I guess everyone that posted) what are we doing?  are we helping or are we whining.

As we all know, maybe 1/3rd of the AH flyers read the BBS here, may it be possible to beg HTC to put out a monthly news letter about Aceshigh, maybe what updates are planned, future things to look for in new patches, upcoming events, A LINK TO THE ACES HIGH BBS, maybe a help article or flying tip monthly by an Aces high flying Member, previous month Tour winners ( squad, Individual category, KOTH Winner for previous month....just an idea here,  HTC already has email addresses for every subscribed flyer, this also could go for the HtoH crowd also if they wanted on the mail list for a monthly News Letter from HTC.

It may get more people to the AH BBS and more people wanting to learn how to better their ability in different planes.....

That is how I took his intial thread post, alot of people offer help...the fact of the matter is you can't help someone who isn't asking for it........

now I would like to ask the question back to Simaril, what are you doing?