anyone wanna learn acm's

[Murdr]

To expand on what slo is saying.

There is the technical side of combat like:
Basic Acm  Attack/Pursuit Modes  Yo-Yos

Then there is the tactical side which how and when you apply different technics.  Are you going to have your E taken from you while kicking and screaming?  Or are you going to just burn in guns'a'blazin with no thought to your energy state compaired to all nearby enemies (not just the one your attacking).  SA plays a key role in tactical planning, as does energy managment.  Doing some stints in the fast planes force you to learn to think tacticly.

Then in the broadest scope is the stretigic side.  Which is basically sortie planning intending on being at the right place, at the right time, for an effective sortie.  If you see certian people landing many kills over and over, it could indicate they have good technical and/or tactical skills, but doing it consistantly does indicate that they are planning their sorties well enough to engage alot of enmies and still stay out of trouble.

Many good pilots are great at one or two of these things, but I think what slo is getting at is its best to use all three.

What I mean by work backwords is that you are flying by instinct based on what you see.  You are making a move because you just 'know' the right move to make.  To explain it to someone else, you need to mentally review what just happened, and pick out their mistake.

I have an example from a recent koth, and this is all from memory.  I was low and slow from a kill and the only other plane alive was comming in high.  Even though he was higher I dove toward an eventual merge, which drew him into a dive.  When I became so far under him that he had to invert, I started a hard immel, and when I seen he was so committed that he had no choice but to split-s, I broke from the half complete immel into a barrelroll to catch him at the bottom of his split-s.  It worked perfectly.  He said he didnt understand how I got him.  

To break it down simply.  I drew him into a situation where he had to either split-s or auger, and knowing that I simply went to where I knew he would end up.  His mistake was allowing me to get his speed way up, then trying to invert on a lower/slower plane.  That is like asking to be the victim of an overshoot manover.  

At the time I knew exactly what to do when he inverted without thinking.  If I can go back and figure out why I knew that, its easy to explain to someone else.

[Wadke]

I used to help ghosth alot in the TA... work has kind of thrown a wrench into things but i am still willing to help.

I fight.

[Murdr]

Ok so a plane going 250mph will generate more lift than the same plane going 150.  So if you had that plane trimmed to go straight and level at 250mph when you slow down to 150 it would not stay level, it would nose down unless you adjusted the trim.

Combat trim-automatically trims your elevators for speed and aelirons for balance.  If its on and you let go of the stick the nose will stay in the same basic direction.  Without it if you let go of the stick it will go wherever the lift force, torque, and weight distribution take it.  There are pros and cons to using/not using it.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Murdr
Ok so a plane going 250mph will generate more lift than the same plane going 150.  So if you had that plane trimmed to go straight and level at 250mph when you slow down to 150 it would not stay level, it would nose down unless you adjusted the trim.

Combat trim-automatically trims your elevators for speed and aelirons for balance.  If its on and you let go of the stick the nose will stay in the same basic direction.  Without it if you let go of the stick it will go wherever the lift force, torque, and weight distribution take it.  There are pros and cons to using/not using it.

Ok...for now...I'll keep it as is and try my best to learn some new tactics. I may look you up as well in tha MA for some training. YOU TO SLO!!!! I just wnat to get better...Im CO of a squad and if they were to ask me a really important question...Im gonna look like an idiot.

Thanks for all the help..the links and advice. ANymore you have..Ill take.

[Cooley]

In WB's years ago... some of the best sticks in the game would hang out in the training arena on tuesday nights i think,
they would mostly be doggin with each other...
but if ya poped in to the arena, one of em would stop what they were doing and contact you and spend time discussing ACM and then spend time in your plane via masterview and watch ya fly awhile, then give ya a couple things to work on, and show ya how to do em. Guys like Daddy, Couger, Dawger and Tech all were great instructers and were able to express how to do ACM,
Being a good stick and having the ability and patience to teach others ACM can be compleatly different things.

Hope to see some guys step up and do it, How bout Sunday nights?

[B17Skull12]

Originally posted by WldThing
Care to explain?

He may not totally be correct,  but in a sense he is right..  You cant teach anyone to fly like you fly,  it comes with experience..  What i have always taught was basic theory of the move that needs to be used in an engagement.  Teaching comes from preaching..

exactly.  no one will learn to fly the way i can fly because the way you is unique. like your finger print.  Each person you try to teach will try to take hold and grasp your tactic's but might find holes and fix them themslves. or might not fully understand it and will change it to the way they would like to fly.

ACM was a thing i had to learn all on my own.  ACM is not just one move to get you on an enemies six.  It is a series of well though out and instictive moves to get you on an enemies six. Ex a scissors doesn't guarntee to get you on an enemies six.  I've had it happened many times while learning ACM that an enemy slows up  when i think he is moving ubberly fast.  ACM can not be teach but merely given an idea and having the studewnt try his best to do it.  No one and i mean no one will fly like you do.  Wldthing, Bigmax, fester, and shane all fly different way's, different planes, different styles, different alts, almost different everything.

The people that gave me my idea's were shane, wldthing and bigmax.  ACM is motivation from how i learned it.  I was motivated to beat wt, bm, or shane in a duel.  Still haven't done it but still motivated to do.  you try to train a an unmotivated pilot.  you are just wasting your time imo.

[Murdr]

Didnt want to side-track the thread too far, so here is a decent discussion about combat vs. manual trim.

No prob redtop.  www.netaces.org Has a good library of write ups on varying technics and tactics too.

[Murdr]

Skull12, I understand what your getting at.  

Here's the thing, AH has a steep learning curve.  A little training will not instantly turn anyone into 'famous' players.  What it will do is take a player who might otherwise get frustrated and quit, and give them the tools to make things enjoyable for them.

What you are in effect saying you cant teach someone their ABC's just because they cant speed-read shakespeer when they get to the letter Z.

Knowing a single ACM is like an aphabet letter.
Knowing an ACM series is like a word.
Understanding how different ACM series interact with each other is like a paragraph.
All that can be taught, and as I said, take months off the learning curve.
Does all that mean they can out duel anyone (or extending the metaphor) Write a best selling novel?

No, of course not, but you can teach the building blocks, and the rest is up to experience.

[Xargos]

That's why I can't fly worth a ****, because I spent to much time messing with the girls in English class.

[Cooley]

^ as you should be

[ZAMO]

1999. My first year at on-line sims (AW). I was a really noob...even more than I am right now. It was very hard at the beginning..even frustrating..as you always die and you even dont know the reason. Then I learnt very fast and have fun..WHY??

1. GREEEEEAT LECTURES on internet by hot sticks....GAWD, BADZ, FLETCHMAN, vulture etc etc

2. EYE: He taught me that I had to have or alt or more speed than enemy before engagement. He also taught me how to approach and kill 1 enemy from dark views. (S)

3. 9B@LL: He taught me how to merge and how to make double-immelman. My biggest improvement ever!!!. THANK you brother : wherever you are.


So.......On-line sims went from a frustrating experience to a really fun experience. And it seems that it couldnt had been possible without  help from other peolple.

THAT facts made me act in a similar way:

So...when I see new people who want realy have fun and learn but he/she is frustrating  I teach him all i know. I have made it to 4-5 guys in my life. I spent between 30-50 hours for each of them. I taught them my skills and my vicious.

I didnt care if they were improving or not. They just understood why they died or why they killed. And their frustration finished

I taught them merges, ropes, gunnery, Situational Aw, evasives, double immelman, Cherry picking, etc etc.

It was fun for me and for them

An (S) to all who helped me ever!!!

ZAMO

[DipStick]

Originally posted by ZAMO

He taught me that I had to have alt or more speed than enemy before engagement.

So...when I see new people who want realy have fun and learn but he/she is frustrating  I teach him all i know. I have made it to 4-5 guys in my life. I spent between 30-50 hours for each of them. I taught them my skills and my vicious.

I taught them merges, ropes, gunnery, Situational Aw, evasives, double immelman, Cherry picking, etc etc.

That accounts for 5-6 timid, running, cherry pickers who always have to have an advantage. How about the rest?

[ZAMO]

That accounts for 5-6 timid, running, cherry pickers who always have to have an advantage. How about the rest?

Are we talking about teaching newbies or an step forward?

Dont frustate them

1. I teach them to fight and kill

2. Did I mention they had fun?

[DipStick]

Originally posted by ZAMO
Are we talking about teaching newbies or an step forward?

Dont frustate them

Just kidding with ya Zamo.

[ZAMO]

ok bud