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Offline hawk410

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« Reply #390 on: August 12, 2004, 01:38:14 PM »
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I accept long periods of flying time to get to a target of my choice, where im twiddling my thumbs in the air.

I cant accept long periods of sitting in a tower if im understanding this correctly just to fly a plane.



I agree. if im gonna have to wait to fly ill find another game more interesting
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« Reply #391 on: August 12, 2004, 01:42:37 PM »
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Oh, I have a question.  Just out of curiousity, if the plane you're currently in becomes disabled, is it unavailible to you regardless of whether you landed it or not?

My guess would be yes its unavalible regardless.

Just an unimportant sidebar, but it would be immersive to be able to keep upping the affected plane until you lose it, or select another.  It would lend to the situation being a wartime supply shortage problem.  Just a though, I dont care one way or the other.


There you are cruising at 22k in your 38 of death...all of a sudden you go...WOW...invisable canopy, how'd I do that?...then you realize your tumbling down since your now "banned" plane evaporated around you:D

Actually I think it's the best possible solution to an unsolvable equation...the hard core "side A" guys will step down...P51D to B, Spit IX to Spit 5, La-7 to La-5 etc. The real men in the Jugs, tiffies & 38's won't ever notice the difference and the nikki dweebs will migrate with the plane....
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« Reply #392 on: August 12, 2004, 02:19:46 PM »
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Problem is the numbers thing has nothing to do with resets. I couldn't care less who 'wins' the 'war'. It's about having to fight 5-10 vs 1 or 10-15 vs 2 ALL THE TIME for the last year. While it improves your SA, etc... it gets old after a while.

Thank You.... DiP...Stick!!!
My thoughts exactly.
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« Reply #393 on: August 12, 2004, 02:33:17 PM »
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Perking the top planes say 43 -> onwards when numbers are high may work. But only if current perk system is fixed.
e.g.
Plane Env Obj Cost
262 5 10 Y
LA7 5 10 N??????
P51D 6 10 N??????
F4U1C 7 5 Y
Spit14 7 10 Y
N1K 7 10 N
Temp 7 10 Y
F4U4 8 10 Y
Spit 9 8 10 N

No matter how or why you say the plane is perked - IT MAKES NO SENSE. LA7 is now on par with 262, Pony is 3rd 'best', yet we all pay perks for 'lower' performing aircraft. Yup as the numbers grow start perking (heavily) the 1943 onwards aircraft. But please sort out the current mess the perk system is in.
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Spit9 is a 1942 plane  (not that I fly it!)

I don't think perking planes is the way to sway players to another country; they'll simply fly the next best plane and will still outnumber you whatever they fly.


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NEXX - sorry, list wasn't supposed to be specifically 1943 planes onwards. It was meant to show the crazy way that planes are perked. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it. I heard that some are perked to prevent over usage others because of their performance. IMO the LA7 and P51 fit both these categories, if people started paying for them when they had high #s although not fixing the numbers it may force them into earlier planes.
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« Reply #394 on: August 12, 2004, 02:34:19 PM »
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We are going with a system based on the ENY value using the same formula as the time system uses.

As the number of player increases on a side planes with an ENY value less then the "balance output" will be disabled.


HiTech

Sounds worth trying HT.
Hey if it doesnt pan out...it can always be tweeked or changed to another system. Thanks for bringing it up for discussion. And for trying to keep things fun and as fair as possible.
It is very much appreciated.
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« Reply #395 on: August 12, 2004, 02:39:28 PM »
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Perking the top planes say 43 -> onwards when numbers are high may work. But only if current perk system is fixed.
e.g.
Plane Env Obj Cost
262 5 10 Y
LA7 5 10 N??????
P51D 6 10 N??????
F4U1C 7 5 Y
Spit14 7 10 Y
N1K 7 10 N
Temp 7 10 Y
F4U4 8 10 Y
Spit 9 8 10 N

No matter how or why you say the plane is perked - IT MAKES NO SENSE. LA7 is now on par with 262, Pony is 3rd 'best', yet we all pay perks for 'lower' performing aircraft. Yup as the numbers grow start perking (heavily) the 1943 onwards aircraft. But please sort out the current mess the perk system is in.
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Spit9 is a 1942 plane  (not that I fly it!)

I don't think perking planes is the way to sway players to another country; they'll simply fly the next best plane and will still outnumber you whatever they fly.


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NEXX - sorry, list wasn't supposed to be specifically 1943 planes onwards. It was meant to show the crazy way that planes are perked. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it. I heard that some are perked to prevent over usage others because of their performance. IMO the LA7 and P51 fit both these categories, if people started paying for them when they had high #s although not fixing the numbers it may force them into earlier planes.


Kev ... the planes won't be perked ... they just won't be available in the hanger.

So if one side enjoys a huge numbers advantage, they will more than likely lose the use of :

La-7
P-51
N1K
Spit IX
so and so fourth - dending upon how unbalanced the area is

They will be forced into the early war (higher ENY) planes.
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« Reply #396 on: August 12, 2004, 02:49:31 PM »
when is this taking effect? HTC
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« Reply #397 on: August 12, 2004, 02:52:04 PM »
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when is this taking effect? HTC


2 weeks ... sorry ... I couldn't resist the urge ...  :D
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« Reply #398 on: August 12, 2004, 03:32:00 PM »
I'm not sure if this has been up already, because i havent read all the replies, but what about this....

say the MA is like the following:-

Rooks 200 players
Knits 150 players
Bish 100 players

Rooks could have the top 4 aircraft, or top ENY valued planes (say nik, 51D, spit, La7 for arguments sake) perked to 4 perks each + perk planes at an increased cost; like it is currently.

Knits could have the above aircraft perked to 2 perks each.

Bish have top 4 aircraft for free, and reduced perk plane cost.

While the perk value will not stop people from flying due to cost of aircraft, its more of an incentive to even the numbers and it would not cause such a massive increase on the whine-o-meter like limiting people from upping would do.



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« Reply #399 on: August 12, 2004, 03:38:53 PM »
I like this idea

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Originally posted by hitech
We are going with a system based on the ENY value using the same formula as the time system uses.

As the number of player increases on a side planes with an ENY value less then the "balance output" will be disabled.


HiTech


This the one that sparked it?

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I think its a BAD idea, I'm willing to bet it will cost you customers. It will be an even worse implementation if you do not allow people to change countries on a whim.

Why not use the current ruleset to encourage balanced teams? For example, multiplying the perk bonus/cost, or even not allowing the side with overwealming numbers to fly lower ENY aircraft.

I had always hoped the squads themselves on each side would be responsible and mature enough to prevent this type of BS equalizer. Its too bad we need something from HTC to do something we should have been doing all along; treat each other with respect.
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« Reply #400 on: August 12, 2004, 03:58:51 PM »
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This the one that sparked it?


Kweassa and I were also fielding ENY based approaches, but Delirium was the one to say disable them.  In game terms, I think he got the kill and some others got assists :)
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« Reply #401 on: August 12, 2004, 04:01:24 PM »
No to denial of time to your chosen country. Sorry, but I cannot be objective about this.

I have only ever flown for Rooks, and have no wish to be a part of any other country, ever. It's so bad I don't care for scenarios or two country CT because theres a fair chance of not being Rook.

I have only limited time for AH, and would be deeply unhappy if part of that time was crippled in this manner.

There are insufficient derivatives of F words that can begin to express how truly FUBAR this idea is.

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« Reply #402 on: August 12, 2004, 04:03:05 PM »
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Kweassa and I were also fielding ENY based approaches, but Delirium was the one to say disable them.  In game terms, I think he got the kill and some others got assists :)


Therefore is should now, and forever be referenced as ...

The "Delirium Factor" ... hey Del ... your FAMOUS !!!  :D
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« Reply #403 on: August 12, 2004, 04:04:20 PM »
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No to denial of time to your chosen country. Sorry, but I cannot be objective about this.

I have only ever flown for Rooks, and have no wish to be a part of any other country, ever. It's so bad I don't care for scenarios or two country CT because theres a fair chance of not being Rook.

I have only limited time for AH, and would be deeply unhappy if part of that time was crippled in this manner.

There are insufficient derivatives of F words that can begin to express how truly FUBAR this idea is.

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Not to worry Achttag ... you'll just be flyin Spit I's all the time ...  ;)

I guess you missed what the real resolution will be ... it ain't "time out".
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« Reply #404 on: August 12, 2004, 04:06:19 PM »
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Not to worry Achttag ... you'll just be flyin Spit I's all the time ...  ;)

Yeeoowwcchh!  :p
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