New idea what do you ladies and gentlemen think.

[Citabria]

to reset an arena especially a big map you need imbalance.

you will never solve local numbers imbalance anyway

[Redd]

Originally posted by ply
Our squad flys ponys because thats what the real 339'th flew.  So now no matter what country we choose we will have our ride disabled at times. You probably have disabled our squad nights with this idea. And you certainly have stopped our squad from flying missions in the RJO's. First it was getting rid of night, then limiting large maps. After that it was not allowing fuel to be reduced. I see a trend here that is forcing people to fly a certain style and discourge other styles. Sorry Hitec, it's your game but it's my money and I'm not spending it to fly in a perpetual furball.  

To the guys I've flown with and against:
Your conversation, antics and friendship have been a source of real pleasure for me. I wish you all well.

Would take a big numbers disadvantage for the 51B to not be available.

Not sure an historical squadron is right for you , think you need an hysterical squadron  after this hissy fit  


The "Delerium Factor" claims it's first victim

[RDSaustinTX]

Bad Idea.
 
These things always balance out, and the number politics are totally, and always have been part of the game. Personally, I enjoy the underdog role, and it inevitably rotates from side to side.
 
Please backburner this, right behind the display errors.  
 
Mullah  

[Manedew]

Originally posted by hitech
So far my thoughts on alternatives of perks or plane limitation , is that I realy doubt they would motivate people to change sides.

Right now it should be obvious that the perk multiply has almost no effect, implementing somthing similar as sugested might triple the effect but it would still have almost no effect. So what we would be left with, is more complaining, but the problem would still remain.

The other problem I see with limiting the top used planes, is that the numbers advantage would still greatly out wiegh  the plane type advantage. In fact the lesser used planes like the p47 start to realy shine when you have a numbers advantage.

I also do not buy into the argument that it would be limiting in any way, all it would be is the big sides choice to wait to fly or to change sides. Thats a choice to make, not a limit.

I have no doubt that the time limit with the right settings would balance the fight, regardless if people changed sides.


And a big thanks for keeping this discussion fairly civil so far.


HiTech

I see your point, but as it is now people can care little for perk points.  They need a reason to care.  With a fully scaleable perk system you might get more balance without haveing to greatly limit other areas to achive this balance.  

I mean.... as the multiplyer works now it just effects your points earned and cost of planes.  It could effect the price of planes themselves, into the negative.  If your country has too many players and your perk multipler is like 0.70 maybe the p51d/la7 and similar eny planes should cost a couple of perks, increaseing in price as the multiplyer decreases.  Likewise if a country has a 1.80 multiplyer a plane like the f4u-ic might be free.  As the multiplyer increase maybe a plane like the 152 becomes free.

The point is....as the multiplyer decreases for a country with overwhelming numbers more and more planes could cost more and more perks.  Forceing players to use perks or fly high ENY planes.  This would increase the effect of the perk system by makeing perks more useful, and needed.

Something like this may not be a fix alone, but could allow you to take less extreme measures elsewhere.  I always felt the uses of the perk system haven't been fully explored.  Allowing the tradeing of perks, for instance, would have the double effect of being able to gamble with perks too  Anyway, I think if you make the perk system mean more, it might have more of an effect.

[DrDea]

Off topic but putting up 100 or more perks in a 4 or 5 way FFA winner take all in the DA would be sweet.That dweeb talking smack to ya?Clean em out.In other words   Get 'er done

[anton]

I'm all for anything that promotes and encourages a more even gaming environment.  

Anton

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Mugzeee
I tend to agree dred.
But anything is better than nothing.
And it will be interesting to see how this shakes out. I think HTC's desired effect is to get players to switch sides and even the numbers.
I am axious to see the results of this idea.

One of the things I am envisioning is a situation where we end up having massive mossie hordes comming in.
LOL anyone feel like dealing with 200 mossies?
their Eny value is something like 45 which means its highly unlikely to ever be unavailable.
what I think is gonna happen is few peole will actually change sides.
What most will do is simply adapt and take advantage of what they have. The mossie is a great example of  such an adaptation. Its fast. has really nasty guns. Carries a decent load of ord and with a large numbers advantage can also be unstoppable.
but then again a large numbers advantage with just about any plane but goons would be unstoppable.
  And I think even numbers advantage could be dealt with if they just didnt show up all at the same place at the same time which is why I was pushing for some sort of zone/feild limits with logistic implications that would be an accurate representation of  real life.
This way nobody would ever have to change countries if they didnt want (which I can fully understand)
and nobody would ever be without their favorite ride.
they might have to fly it form a different base perhaps. Or without ord or reduced fuel. Or be forced to fight  in a different area.But it would still be available

[jdpete75]

Redd,  Just who are you to be telling us what we should or want to fly.  If I want to log on and fly a Pony I shouldnt have to worry about hurting your poor widdow feewings.  I for one have no interest in flying anything but a D model on squad night,  I pay my money to do so.  Just as you pay the same amount to fly whatever, whenever and however you want.

As far as the outnumbered thing goes,  GROW UP!  Rooks were outnumbered for most of the night tonight and we still managed to grind you to a standstill and eventally push back.  Learn to organize and cooperate.  I hear all the time on country channel from converts how disorganized other teams are.  A few are even suprised at the amount of check 6s they get.  

After this what is your next whine gonna be?  Strats-already been done waaaaaa.   Alt monkeys-already been done waaaaaaaa.  Maps to small-already been done  waaaaaaaa.  Maps to big-already been done waaaaaaaa.  gunnery to hard-already been done waaaaaaaaaaaa.

My point is there is always going to be some snivling snotrags that feel the need to go crying to mommy instead of looking at the problem and taking it upon themselves to fix it.  Maybe some recruiting would be in order.  Maybe organize a little bit.  Maybe try something other than cry.  For a bunch of folks that sit and play a game based on war,  I sure see a lot of whining and crybabying!!

[Stegahorse]

The Idea for time outs in "country" with excessive numbers is great. How about this though, You impose the time out on anything less than a successful landing. The pilots that survive get a reward for their good SA, and the ones that get shot down, ditch or captured get the penalty. It would also be cool if Shot down gets the greatest penalty, Captured gets 2/3 of the Shot down penalty and Ditched gets 1/3 of the penalty.
It would re-inforce the concept of survive and SA.

Loyalty to country is not wrong or misplaced. Those who have no loyalty to anything are to be mistrusted. Those same people often have no loyalty even unto themselves. Take the case of the man who wears both belt and suspenders to hold his pants up.

[BlauK]

Seems like I am late to join the discussion since the decisions have already been made ... here are a few suggestions anyways.
Instead of prohibiting planes completely...

-Combine the ENY prohibiton with WAIT time:
If you want a better plane, wait for it.. or take off in a lesser plane right away.

or

-Combine WAIT time with base LOCATION:
If one wants to take off close to front, make him wait but allow him take off from more distant bases right away.

or

-Combine WAIT time, ENY and LOCATION:
Wait for better plane close to the front or go further back to fly it right away.

[rpm]

I like the solution. It doesn't deny anyone access and gives the overwhelmed side fair opportunity to fight back. They can still be a horde, just in Hurri's and 205's.

to HiTech and HTC for listening to the customers. Now I just hope we were right.

[Redd]

Originally posted by jdpete75
Redd,  Just who are you to be telling us what we should or want to fly.  If I want to log on and fly a Pony I shouldnt have to worry about hurting your poor widdow feewings.  I for one have no interest in flying anything but a D model on squad night,  I pay my money to do so.  Just as you pay the same amount to fly whatever, whenever and however you want.

As far as the outnumbered thing goes,  GROW UP!  Rooks were outnumbered for most of the night tonight and we still managed to grind you to a standstill and eventally push back.  Learn to organize and cooperate.  I hear all the time on country channel from converts how disorganized other teams are.  A few are even suprised at the amount of check 6s they get.  

After this what is your next whine gonna be?  Strats-already been done waaaaaa.   Alt monkeys-already been done waaaaaaaa.  Maps to small-already been done  waaaaaaaa.  Maps to big-already been done waaaaaaaa.  gunnery to hard-already been done waaaaaaaaaaaa.

My point is there is always going to be some snivling snotrags that feel the need to go crying to mommy instead of looking at the problem and taking it upon themselves to fix it.  Maybe some ,recruiting would be in order.  Maybe organize a little bit.  Maybe try something other than cry.  For a bunch of folks that sit and play a game based on war,  I sure see a lot of whining and crybabying!!

LOL   find one post on this BBS where I have whined or cried about numbers ever ! I actually don't care how many are on each team , doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't care about the war , the resets , the  strat either. In fact  - find a post on the BBS where I have whined about anything.  The only wine I'm into comes in a glass.


I was merely stunned by  a guy who said he is cancelling his account because every now and then he might have to fly a B model instead of a D model pony -  AND it hasn't even happened yet  !  It just might happen one day . Read it again - he is saying goodbye - cancelling his account , his squad has been decimated by this harsh decision by HTC   - omg  .

Now if that's not throwing an unnecessary hissy fit  I don't know what is. Sometimes when I see something that funny I just have to post .



Have a nice day

[Redd]

Originally posted by jdpete75

My point is there is always going to be some snivling snotrags that feel the need to go crying to mommy instead of looking at the problem and taking it upon themselves to fix it.  Maybe some recruiting would be in order.  Maybe organize a little bit.  Maybe try something other than cry.  For a bunch of folks that sit and play a game based on war,  I sure see a lot of whining and crybabying!!

and

P.S.  I just swapped from Rooks to Knights this tour because I prefer to fight with less numbers than too many numbers.

[moot]

Originally posted by jdpete75
Redd,  Just who are you to be telling us what we should or want to fly.  If I want to log on and fly a Pony I shouldnt have to worry about hurting your poor widdow feewings.  I for one have no interest in flying anything but a D model on squad night,  I pay my money to do so.  Just as you pay the same amount to fly whatever, whenever and however you want.

As far as the outnumbered thing goes,  GROW UP!  Rooks were outnumbered for most of the night tonight and we still managed to grind you to a standstill and eventally push back.  Learn to organize and cooperate.  I hear all the time on country channel from converts how disorganized other teams are.  A few are even suprised at the amount of check 6s they get.  

After this what is your next whine gonna be?  Strats-already been done waaaaaa.   Alt monkeys-already been done waaaaaaaa.  Maps to small-already been done  waaaaaaaa.  Maps to big-already been done waaaaaaaa.  gunnery to hard-already been done waaaaaaaaaaaa.

My point is there is always going to be some snivling snotrags that feel the need to go crying to mommy instead of looking at the problem and taking it upon themselves to fix it.  Maybe some recruiting would be in order.  Maybe organize a little bit.  Maybe try something other than cry.  For a bunch of folks that sit and play a game based on war,  I sure see a lot of whining and crybabying!!

this is the guy that's complaining he has to switch countries to find his plane?

[ET]

And then the time outs could be extended for the guys with the lowest rankings to even things up more. And a 2 kill cap could be put on country with most people, 2 kills and you have to land.
And there could be draft choices and ??? dang confused it again with NFL parity.
Sorry about that.