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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2004, 12:03:29 AM »
Vad,

Why not the Fw190A-5, Bf109G-6, C.205, Hurricane Mk IIc, P-40E, Mosquito Mk VI, F6F-5, P-47D-11, Yak-9T, ect, ect?
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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2004, 12:14:02 AM »
if there were only 10 planes in this game im all for ya

but there is over 50 and you going to throw a huge fit for what 2 4 planes out of that? and only some times you lose them


and of course if we all disagree were just awful people  causing Havoc to you
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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2004, 01:25:00 AM »
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Vad,

Why not the Fw190A-5, Bf109G-6, C.205, Hurricane Mk IIc, P-40E, Mosquito Mk VI, F6F-5, P-47D-11, Yak-9T, ect, ect?


You don't understand? Really?
I will say you something. I invited to fly in this game more than 4 people. Now only two are flying - me and one my friend, and even we often consider to give up. There is no fun to be shot down in few second after take off.  Not because of being outnumbered, not because of being vulching, no - we will complain about such a things couple of years later.  Just because of difference in skills.
And you suggest me to fly planes where I would get my first kill after two-three months? Are you really sure that I will fly so long?

You guys flying for years, and it will take years to be like you. OK, it is not the problem, I want and I will. But I am less than half among those my friends who tried this game. And if I were so stupid to follow your advices I would give up 3 months ago.
Sorry , but you just forget how you felt when you start this  game. May be you are right, and I really have to start with Hurricane, but... But to understand this I have to be you.

It is very simple. To keep this game funny you must to get new players because old players leave for various reasons. And this game has to create some fun for newbies. Otherwise sometimes you will have no problem with imbalance.  Very difficult to create imbalance with three playing pilots...

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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2004, 01:44:21 AM »
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Oh suck it up princess.  Fly a different plane.


I'm sure HT appreciates responses of this calibre supporting his decision.


Odds imbalances have been part of this genre of game since the very beginning. And to some degree its what keeps things interesting - that odds can change. What HT implemented in this patch is a step in the direction - but not yet The Answer as it now stands.


That said, folks on this BBS shouldn't one day proclaim that everyone should "play their own game" and then the next day flame people for defending  the ability to do  just that. That's just lame and hypocritical.

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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2004, 02:24:57 AM »
Strange how you have such loyalty to a virtual chess peice. Great guys on all sides, hop over the fence occasionally and see how it is....

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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2004, 02:27:47 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2004, 02:32:50 AM »
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You don't understand? Really?
I will say you something. I invited to fly in this game more than 4 people. Now only two are flying - me and one my friend, and even we often consider to give up. There is no fun to be shot down in few second after take off.  Not because of being outnumbered, not because of being vulching, no - we will complain about such a things couple of years later.  Just because of difference in skills.
And you suggest me to fly planes where I would get my first kill after two-three months? Are you really sure that I will fly so long?

You guys flying for years, and it will take years to be like you. OK, it is not the problem, I want and I will. But I am less than half among those my friends who tried this game. And if I were so stupid to follow your advices I would give up 3 months ago.
Sorry , but you just forget how you felt when you start this  game. May be you are right, and I really have to start with Hurricane, but... But to understand this I have to be you.

It is very simple. To keep this game funny you must to get new players because old players leave for various reasons. And this game has to create some fun for newbies. Otherwise sometimes you will have no problem with imbalance.  Very difficult to create imbalance with three playing pilots...


Have you ever actually flown any of those planes?  I'll try to keep this relatively simple, because I am apparently one of those people who've been playing years and years and have forgotten what it is like to be a newbie (actually.. I haven't, but thats a different story).  

Have you considered the possibility that it isn't what you are flying, but how you are flying it?  

Damn, this is gonna get long, I'll apoligize in advance, and I commend you if you manage to make it through this wall of text.  It really irritates me when people cop out and say "But.. but.. but.. I HAVE to fly a La7/P51/Nik/Spit.. I'm a newbie, and I ain't good enough to get kills in anything else".  I have bad news for you.  While the pilot/plane equation is weighed in favor of the plane, the pilot does have some role in it.  A guy that knows what he is doing in a 190a5 is going to kick your bellybutton if you don't know what you are doing in a Spit 9.  So, whats the best way to figure out what to do?  

1.  Ask.  The game is full of people who know tons about the planes and how they stack up against one another.  That is valuable information.

2.  Watch film.  Find someone to give you film.  I'd recommend Leviathn, Wldthing, Ack-Ack, Zazen, Beetle, and any number of other people.  Go up to the Help & Training forum, make a topic called "I'd like some films".  People will post them.  You download them, and watch them in the handy Aces High film viewer.  The film viewer is a nice tool.  You can jump from plane to plane, go to an external view, turn on trails, slow down the playback so you can REALLY see what happened when.  You can learn a lot from a film.  Different people have different styles of fighting.  You will learn at least one new thing every time you watch a film of a fight, for the first month you spend watching films.  I can practically guarantee it.

3.  Find someone in the MA that seems to be landing oodles of kills.  Ask them if you can join their plane for a sortie, and find out how they do it.  Copy them.  Don't worry, it isn't plagerism.

I'm of a more "spartan" school than most people.  I think that the quickest way to learn how to fight is to fight often, and in a plane that isn't nescesarily the "best" at fighting.  For instance, take a 190, fly low, let people bounce you.  You'll learn how to fight from a disadvantage in a less manueverable plane.  Part of that learning is learning how to get away (no, usually just straight running won't do the trick).

There are a lot of people out there who really enjoy helping other people.  There are even more people who will help you if you manage to catch them in a good mood (typically you'll learn more advanced stuff from the grouchy people, the trick is catching em at the right time).  The resources are out there, and after 4 months you should've already started to avail yourself of them.

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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2004, 02:36:19 AM »
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That said, folks on this BBS shouldn't one day proclaim that everyone should "play their own game" and then the next day flame people for defending the ability to do just that. That's just lame and hypocritical.


Well said DokGonzo.  That is the crux of the matter.  Vad's experience is undeniable to him.  Suggestions for him to consider are good to help him think through his options.  Just keep in mind that our own personal tastes that guides us with our options are just that and not his.

Denying that he shouldn't have a reason to be frustrated is pretty myopic.  Some of you guys are going out of your way to pick on him.  Have you considered if HT had implemented a different balancing mechanism you might be the one expressing your frustration with it and not Vad?

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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2004, 07:32:12 AM »
Vad


Come see us in the Training arena sometime. Bring your friend.  All planes available all the time, even the perked ones.

Plus perhaps one of us trainers can show you a thing or 2 eh?  Give us a try, we are nice guys who love to help.

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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2004, 07:39:55 AM »
there is some thruth in it
i hope ill never get in the position where i cannot fly the P38

i wouldn't mind flying an early model P38

but there ain't and probably never will because HTC probably hate them or something.

maybe build a 4th model p47 or a 2 more focke wulfs but P38 wich was there from the beginning. no way

we just have to shove it...

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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2004, 07:46:05 AM »
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
there is some thruth in it
i hope ill never get in the position where i cannot fly the P38

i wouldn't mind flying an early model P38

but there ain't and probably never will because HTC probably hate them or something.

maybe build a 4th model p47 or a 2 more focke wulfs but P38 wich was there from the beginning. no way

we just have to shove it...


P38 was turned off for a squaddie yesterday before I logged on.

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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2004, 08:02:22 AM »
so u mean there is made an exeption for it ??

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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2004, 09:00:10 AM »
(I think) Vad is 110% correct.  Why shouldn't the guy be able to fly the plane he wants, with the team he wants, like he always has been able to.  

Im sure there are other ways to fix the number problems, not just make some guy leave the fellas he flys with to fly the plane he wants to.

I think its pointless, but I don't make the game so Im not going to ***** anymore. :D

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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2004, 09:22:52 AM »
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(I think) Vad is 110% correct.  Why shouldn't the guy be able to fly the plane he wants, with the team he wants, like he always has been able to.  

Im sure there are other ways to fix the number problems, not just make some guy leave the fellas he flys with to fly the plane he wants to.

I think its pointless, but I don't make the game so Im not going to ***** anymore. :D
 

Trouble is that  " Why shouldn't the guy be able to fly the plane he wants, with the team he wants, like he always has been able to.  " was getting abused to the point of ridiculousness.  It sounds like a wonderfull strategy, but this is a multiplayer game.  

Addressing "Im sure there are other ways to fix the number problems, not just make some guy leave the fellas he flys with to fly the plane he wants to.",  unless you could cook up additional players in your Jiffy Bake oven, the simple math of it means people have to make changes.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2004, 09:26:48 AM »
Your the last person I let borrow my Jiffy Bake, so don't use that on me. :D

I just don't see why planes need to be taken away... because you would think Hitech would want this to be fun for people, and when you can't fly what you want, with who you want, then whats the point?

I think a lot of people would rather fly what they like, and get gangbanged like crazy.  Or am I wrong?


AND... this is not a whine, or even close to one.  Im just trying to have this make sense to me. :D