Author Topic: Furballers -vs- Timid Pilots (Read 10112 times)

4510 · « **Reply #195 on:** November 29, 2004, 09:43:27 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
The Me109 pilot Franz Stigler was shot down 17 times, and lived. Each of those 17 occurrences would have been a "death" in

Franz Stigler.... He was a JG27 boy !

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cva/cawmay2004.htm

Apparently a gentleman as well.....

4510 · « **Reply #196 on:** November 29, 2004, 10:04:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Stang
Marseille didn't. Dude flew into packs of hurri's and p40's by himself. And you know what? He OWNED!!!

Marseille was a freek for nature....

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #197 on:** November 30, 2004, 01:15:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
That link doesnt work Ack-Ack, downloads as an html document when you right click and *save as*. When left clicking the link it takes me to a website with no films and from what I can see it only has political info on it.

Yeah, that's because I took my server down and gave up the domain name. Hopefully, when I get off my lazy arse, I'll setup my server again.

ack-ack

DipStick · « **Reply #198 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:01:54 PM »

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Originally posted by dtango
(1) My friend you sure aren't interested in even looking at the facts. You already have preconceived concept of how we fly and fight and have no interest in looking at the facts. Fine with me but don't go around spouting out stuff like you know how we fly because obviously you don't and choose to ignore reality.

(2) I'm glad you think we're bored to death when we're twisting and turning all over the skies. We sure are having a heck of a lot of fun and killing you why we are at it .

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

Facts? What part of this do you NOT understand?

"I only go by what I've seen in the MA which has always been 3+ of you in P-51Ds vs me low and slow. You take turns on the b-n-z extending to at least 4k+ even at those odds."

DipStick · « **Reply #199 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:10:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
And personally if I'm not in a plane that can catch the timid runners - heck, nobody forced me to use a slower plane.

So you would like to see an arena with only a few planes in it. P-51D, La7, 190D-9 and Temp. Oh yea... forgot the jets.

What an exciting.. (cough) (cough) game that would be.

4510 · « **Reply #200 on:** November 30, 2004, 10:21:49 PM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
So you would like to see an arena with only a few planes in it. P-51D, La7, 190D-9 and Temp. Oh yea... forgot the jets.

What an exciting.. (cough) (cough) game that would be.

Mr. Stick,

I think the point is... there are trade offs in the rides you pick. Since I prefered the faster German rides... I certainly didn't complain if a Spit kept going around in circles... or the Niki and 38 were doing their hang on the props, low speed maneuvering. (shrug) They were flying their rides to their advantage. On the other hand, they certainly shouldn't be surprised if they can't catch a Dora or FWa5 or 109G10.

Conversely when I infrequently flew the 109F (sure like the JG27 paint on that one tho) I just had to accept that I wasn't going to catch the Typhoon that decided he was going to leave !

I had a GREAT fight with one of the Damned one night. Nearly on the deck... him in a Typhoon and me in the 109F. We danced for awhile... everytime I would finally get the advantage the typhie would just extend away from me. Once he got the separation he needed he would reengage. I finally hit him in the oil and when he left that time he just kept going. He didn't complain about my slower plane and I didn't mock him for not sticking around and stall fighting til he died.

BTW Pony, Dora, FW drivers do stall fight them.... but usually only against another Pony or Dora etc. I mean... why slow down to stall fight the better turners?

All in all... the faster plane... flown correctly dictates the fight. I expect that fact is no surprise to you.

Simply, given the right conditions the FW190d9 driver can play for a shot, do a bit of turning at highspeed hoping to use the E-bleed for an instantaneous turn advantage.... yet when things start to go sour... just use the speed and leave.

A Zeke driver on the other hand really has one option... stall fight til he wins or the other guy leaves. I mean do Zeke drivers actually decide to JOIN a fight.... or does the fight just JOIN them ?

DipStick · « **Reply #201 on:** November 30, 2004, 10:48:20 PM »

Thought you quit playing a while back soup? Yes I remember you from AW. You flew high and fast like Zazen. Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn.

4510 · « **Reply #202 on:** November 30, 2004, 11:00:59 PM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
Thought you quit playing a while back soup? Yes I remember you from AW. You flew high and fast like Zazen. Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn.

Yes I have stopped flying. Of course I suppose that invalidates all that I said.

Ah.. I wouldn't say I flew like Zazen... he shoots much better than I do.

beet1e · « **Reply #203 on:** December 01, 2004, 05:13:46 AM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
So you would like to see an arena with only a few planes in it. P-51D, La7, 190D-9 and Temp. Oh yea... forgot the jets. What an exciting.. (cough) (cough) game that would be

Sounds like the game I left last August.

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Thought you quit playing a while back soup? Yes I remember you from AW. You flew high and fast like Zazen. yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn.

That's not fair. I liked Zazen. Maybe he did fly high and fast sometimes. I didn't know that was against AH rules? But Zazen did fight lower, as this pic shows.

4510 - you will never change these guys' point of view that every plane should be flown like a SpitV. One day they will realise that not everyone is interested in all that TnB 2K SpitV crap, but it won't be today.

dtango · « **Reply #204 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:21:24 AM »

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Dipstick wrote:
"I only go by what I've seen in the MA which has always been 3+ of you in P-51Ds vs me low and slow. You take turns on the b-n-z extending to at least 4k+ even at those odds."

So I give you ample evidence that show's the contrary but you choose to ignore it. I don't understand that logic unless you WANT to paint a certain perspective of the 412th no matter what the evidence is.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

4510 · « **Reply #205 on:** December 01, 2004, 11:39:41 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e

4510 - you will never change these guys' point of view that every plane should be flown like a SpitV. One day they will realise that not everyone is interested in all that TnB 2K SpitV crap, but it won't be today.

Beetle,

I don't suppose I will. This horse died years ago... probably about day two of Air Warriors existence and has been dug up and beaten ever since. Many variations on the theme, but still the same theme.

I have flown styles on both ends of the spectrum but used to spend most of my time just to the boom and zoom side of center. For me, I found Aces High harder to learn than Air Warrior, specifically on the turn and burn end. So my preference drifted a little further away from the TnB. (shrug) I've flown nearly every style, every format (MA, CT, DA, Scenarios... and what ever equivalent names applied in AW) and now I sit on the sidelines. (another shrug)

One constant over the years.... when I was TnBing I never had a BnZer call me on country channel and berate me for my style. If I had a penny for every TnB Slow Plane driver that whined at me over the years...

I'd be retired a second time and working no third job.

Grits · « **Reply #206 on:** December 01, 2004, 12:03:08 PM »

I fly all kinds of planes and I fly to my planes strengths, but I think there is a distinction between BnZ and "energy" fighting. I hate it when I see a Joust and Extend (TM) pilot, they have very little skill and even less aggression. Energy fighting is something different alltogether and requires aggression and skill. I love fighting someone that knows proper energy fighting, they use climbing spirals, ropes, etc and they never get much farther away than 1.5k, but they dont Joust and Extend (TM). So, no, a P-51 or FW190 should not flat turn with a Zeke, but that does not mean that they have to have 5k alt advantage and do 5k extends after blown passes either.

Anybody that remembers Killer from the old DOS Air Warrior days knows how energy fighting is done. There is an old AW film I have of his where he caps Bland all by himself in a FW190. Most of the time he is 400-600 above a pack of Spits and is rarely above 200MPH. Watching that film was a revalation to me, until that point I didnt realize that you could fight an "energy" fighter like that, flaps out and 150MPH doing climbing spirals. It changed the way I flew those planes forever.

Joust and Extenders (TM) are just skilless losers and deserve the ridicule they get, unfortunately they are the majority of the cherrypicking "BnZ" crowd.

DipStick · « **Reply #207 on:** December 01, 2004, 08:02:02 PM »

3 runs in P-51 - The thing is easier to kill in than the La7 by far. I've only flown it a few times and don't know all the ins and outs. Went 7:1 after 3 times in it and that's mixing it up on deck....

Kills / Deaths + 1 3.5 (0)
Kills / Sorties 2.3 (0)
Kills / Hour 10.116 (0)
Hit percentage 7.382 %

Kills 7
Assists 2
Sorties 3
Landed 2
Death 1
Time hh:mm:ss 00:41:27

PS... Hate and I do mean HATE using one of Beet1es terms but this really is an "easy mode" plane. As you can see my hit % is still low. Never claimed to be a good shot (of course I did strafe a couple of town buildings and a GV on the last sortie).

PSS... Notar actually came down and fought me on the deck once - got the kill. He got a "gk Notar" on Ch 200.

beet1e · « **Reply #208 on:** December 01, 2004, 08:08:48 PM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
PS... Hate and I do mean HATE using one of Beet1es terms but this really is an "easy mode" plane.

DipStick · « **Reply #209 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:04:25 PM »

Hehee.. Figured you'd like that beet.