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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2004, 04:50:24 PM »
Then, should the world not have the balls,  the USA, at her choice, will dictate such laws on countries that choose not to accept them.
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« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2004, 04:52:13 PM »
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What right does any outsider have to dictate how a country runs its legal system?
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« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2004, 05:16:28 PM »
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There is no international law that prohibits the execution of criminals, you yourself do that. Should Iran suddenly begin exterminating people like the Germans did, then it is another matter entirely. Don't you see the difference?


Of course I see the difference.

But do you see the problem of your thinking...

The higest levels of the German legal system (Hitler) maticulously and fairly tried and convicted all individal Jews of greivious crimes according toGerman law (Hitler's whim). Accoring to german law (Hitler's whim again) criminals convicted of such crimes deserved the punishment of death. All was legally correct by  the laws chosen by the German people... It was perfectly legal in the nazi state...

Whats your problem with that? Why would you want to interefere?  The Nazi system was just as walid as is your Norwegisan system today, it was a fair process according to Nazi law. If there was a problem the people would fix it. Right? I maean if the Jews had any problems with this they would fix it themselves, wouldnt they? They would rise up and stop it.
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« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2004, 05:30:11 PM »
GScholz contionues to ignore that fact that the people of Nazi germany made the killing of all jews a legal matter. This really makes it tough for GS to maintain his fallacy so he must ignore it.
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« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2004, 05:33:23 PM »
Geez Grun will you EVER bring up a subject without bringing this 60 years old history?
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« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2004, 05:35:44 PM »
It's perfectly appropriate here, plus the nazi's barbaric acts and laws are always a good way to stump moral relativists who argue that all political or legal systems are equally valid in thir own cultural settings.
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« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2004, 05:37:53 PM »
No I "think" Gsholtz is asking a simple question that you are avoiding: Why would our system be better than any others? Is it because you have cable TV and chickin wings at 5 AM that yours is more valid?
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« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2004, 05:40:48 PM »
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No I "think" Gsholtz is asking a simple question that you are avoiding: Why would our system be better than any others? Is it because you have cable TV and chickin wings at 5 AM that yours is more valid?


So in your mind the US system is not better than Irans religious zealot government?

Great! I'll say that the average EU members laws are about equal and fair to those of North Korea...

No no the laws of Beligium are no more valid and no better than Nazi Germany's laws..  U like that right, really like it saw?

Does reading these posts leave any doubt thath europe is morally bawnkrupt. Here we have euros sayingb that Irans theocratic dictatorship is morally equivalent to America's democracy and legln system
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« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2004, 05:44:40 PM »
No (thinking absolutely here, no longer close to the case at hand, with the girl). I'm saying (in the long scheme) that Muslims have ruled north africa and a large part of asia for centuries (more time than the US existed)... their rules were the ones that were set as "normal/regular".

Tomorrow, it may be the chinese's

Day after tomorrow the Luxemburgish

In the long run, your system beliefs don't count. they will be overuled by anothers.
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« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2004, 05:50:46 PM »
What do centuroes of muslim rule many centuries ago have to do with the current valididy of Irans dicatorship state, except that it's hoplessly backward?

Heck europe has had centuries of culture and loook where that ended up in 1914 and 1939..

GS I undersatnd yiour need to ignore taht issue.

As for your america example. Do you want an answer? Really?  You limit my option to answering whrther the usa should have been invaded ir not. Thsts kind of conveniant for you isnt it, just that one extreme option. I think the world community should have placed pressue on the USA to fix those social problems. The world did that to south africa, really really interfreared and pressured it.

So now that out of the way, answer my earlier question.
Also is Norway's stem equally as valid as Irans and Nazi Germanys?
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« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2004, 05:52:58 PM »
Centuries of history are irrelevant... but 5 years are?
Mind if I use your own words?:


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« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2004, 05:55:58 PM »
Most of the world was ruled by despots and dictators for thousands of years. Democratic societies were quite rare for the vast majority of time.  Also there was slavery for thousands of years plus the opression of women.

Are all those supposed to be good now just because they were in the past?

Yoiur agrument about Iria is this:

Islamic law ruled hundreds of years ago and I think this makes it great that Iran is doinmg the same, who cares about human rights abuses.

Would you say the same about the Taliban? They followed Islmaic law extremly well, just like long long ago!
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« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2004, 05:56:21 PM »
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Of course I see the difference, but it is not my place or yours to dictate what their laws should be and how their justice system should work. Personally I find the practice of executing children despicable, whether it is in Iran ... or the USA.


Wow are you saying it was ok for Hitler to slaughter the Jews? For Stalin to slaughter millions? For Pol Pot to wipe out half of Cambodia?
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« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2004, 05:59:09 PM »
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Irrelevant. Genocide is a criminal act according to international law. Executing criminals is not.


Stalin and Pol Pot labelled those they execute criminals. You have some interesting friends gscholz.
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« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2004, 06:00:43 PM »
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Stalin and Pol Pot labelled those they execute criminals. You have some interesting friends gscholz.


Yep Vulcan but GS is trying really really hard to ignore that, just look at his responses to my posts about the same...
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