for Lazs: Crime rates down in NZ

[Excel1]

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[Excel1]

Originally posted by beet1e
That's the point I've been trying to make, Excel1 - the same thing applies to Britain. If your comments are addressed to Lazs, be prepared to repeat it 500 times - and he still won't get it.  

Beet1e my post was addressed to Dune. If lazs didn't like it then thats his tough cheese and I really don't give a fig what he beleves anyway, so I won't be doing any head banging -500 posts lol

 Excel

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... my comment about london  meant that the guys there just didn't SEEM to be very tough to me... the accent to me is kinda funny and non threatening.   I am sure that if I lived there and didn't die of depression from the weather and filth I would become more cautious.

LOL Lazs!  

...and they call me Ol' Shifty!

Yes, you would be dead from depression this year for sure. But the beauty of Europe is that there is so much diversity within a three hour plane ride.

Your car thefts per capita is a bit misleading. What it does not show is that the US has only 5% of the world's population, but about 40% of the world's vehicles, or vee-hickles as you guys call them. I bet demaw1 says "vee-hickle".  And because much of America is spread out into lots of little hick towns, it's too far for a career thief from a big city to travel to steal from one. And in the hick towns themselves, everyone knows everyone else - close knit communities, so perpetration of an anonymous theft would be more difficult. And can you imagine an opportunist thief driving all the way from Oakland to Dixon to do over your EC?

Demaw said

Is it an honest thing to do always comparing America to such little countries population wise?

When a liberal doesnt have a reasonable response to a debate,they will do 1 of three things....the first is call you a racist, what are the other 2 things?

[/b] Dunno Demaw, but Lazs does it all the time. I don't know what your second question is about.



Gixer - a 4-point harness - one with the round buckle in the middle? Some years ago I used to fly a K21 glider, and it had a five point harness. As well as the two lap and two shoulder straps coming into that buckle, there was an additional strap which went round the bollocks! No idea how that would work out in the event of a crash.

[lazs2]

gixer... I rode Harleys for 20 years and never wore a helmet.  I never got a scratch on my head but I suffered numerous lower limb injuries and "pavement rash"   I wore helmets at the drags and autocross and dirt bikes... it should be the choice of the person doing the activity so long as he doesn't endanger others.

I got the stats from a stat generator that was linked in this or the other thread... nationmaster.com

excel... to bad you don't care what I say... my guess is that you don't care what anyone says or what the facts are..  People do not go insane and start killing others when they are allowed to own firearms... just as they don't start running over people on purpose the minute they get behind the wheel of a car...

not to say that neither of those things happen but... if they do... it was gonna happen anyway no matter what.. the nut would use something else if cars or guns weren't available to him.  Your opinion of your fellow man is not surprising considering your inability to reason.

lazs

[lazs2]

beetle... that is silly about the car thing... are you saying that most cars are stolen by professionals and that they won't go into rural areas?   how does that work for nz and australia?  they have less density than the U.S. but higher car theft rates.

If you think I was being shifty about the londoners then you don't recall the context of my statement or.... it is you who are being shifty.   The context was about the viciousness and toughness of criminals in parts of the U.S.   either way... as I get older it won't matter how swishy they are... I will need a gun to defend against them...  it is a twofold threat... when you get old they criminal sees you as an easy mark and..... you are.   if.... you are unarmed.

lazs

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... that is silly about the car thing... are you saying that most cars are stolen by professionals and that they won't go into rural areas?   how does that work for nz and australia?  they have less density than the U.S. but higher car theft rates.

Not sure about NZ, but the OZ population is concentrated around the coastline. The non coastal areas of OZ are largely desert - with at least 6 named deserts, which are uninhabited.

Your assessment of OZ's population density fails to take account of this.

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by lazs2
gixer... I rode Harleys for 20 years and never wore a helmet.  I never got a scratch on my head but I suffered numerous lower limb injuries and "pavement rash"   I wore helmets at the drags and autocross and dirt bikes... it should be the choice of the person doing the activity so long as he doesn't endanger others.
lazs

I rode bikes for 15 years, always wore a helmet. Didn't need the law to make me do it. Crashed a couple of times a year but got away with only a numb spot on my knee and a thumb that doesn't work as well as it used to. But one day I clipped a car and smacked my head on the curb. Saw stars a bit but rode home after arguing with the driver as to whose fault it was. Without the helmet I'd be dead or a basket case. To me a helmet is like a safety catch on a gun. It only has to save your life once but you always need it.

[Toad]

Helmets. Yep, you're a fool if you ride without one.

But should your government make that choice for you?

Therein lies the true question of all threads like this one.

[Dune]

Originally posted by Excel1
You may know about Switzerland but you know bugger all about NZ. Give every NZer 6 guns and the violent crime stats would go through the roof.You would just be arming the nutters and scumbags and we have got our share of them.With the firearm rules that are in place here they havn't got access to the guns that they would have in the US.

Couple of points.  First off I appreciate the faith you have in your fellow Kiwi's.  It's very refreshing.

Secondly, I won't bother getting in a discussion about how it would be illegal for the nutters and scumbags, who are probably felons anyway, to posses the firearms in the first place.  I'll also skip going into the fact you're on an island so the criminal element's ability to smuggle guns in is much less than it is here.  Which, of course, just means that the only people who are unarmed are the law-abidding civilians.

However, this belief that fear is behind the desire to own guns would be laughable if it didn't show such a glaring lack of understanding.  After all, to make a statement like that, I would hope the speaker is just spouting off to try and come up with something that supports his point.  After all, someone couldn't be that foolish to really believe?  Could you?

I mean really, I own over 20 guns and yet live without fear.  I must be a mutant or something according to you all.  I live in the 5th largest city in the US and it has a fairly decent crime rate.  Much of it due to improvrished minorities (many of them illegal aliens) and the drug trade (meth and pot are huge here).  Yet I don't live in fear.  I guess I just haven't been paying attention.  Instead of using my guns to shoot and hunt and mess around with, I should have been holed up in my house with a loaded CZ75 and waiting in paranoria.  I must apologize to our gunless friends for screwing up their stereotype.  So sorry.

I don't live with any more care and concern than anyone else with half a brain does in a big city.  It's just that, unlike you all, if someone did try and do me harm, I could do more about than run crying like a little girl or drop to my knees and beg for mercy.

And I like it that way.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Toad
Helmets. Yep, you're a fool if you ride without one.

But should your government make that choice for you?

Therein lies the true question of all threads like this one.

As long as hospitals are required by law to treat ALL emergencies then yes, the Gov't. (me) has the right to require seat belts and helmets.

[Toad]

Kinda circular logic there isn't it?

How about we don't require hospitals to treat folks that don't wear seat belts in cars or helmets on bikes?

What then? Should the government still decide?

Which of course leads to....... why should the government force a hospital to treat all emergencies? Shouldn't that be the hospital's decision?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
Helmets. Yep, you're a fool if you ride without one.

But should your government make that choice for you?

I don't know about helmets, but I thought it was state law (in many states) for seatbelts in cars to be used.

Dune - "I don't live with any more care and concern than anyone else with half a brain does in a big city. It's just that, unlike you all, if someone did try and do me harm, I could do more about than run crying like a little girl or drop to my knees and beg for mercy." Read excel's post again. He's saying that the gun laws in NZ are such that scumbags can't get guns. Therefore the chances of running into an armed scumbag are greatly reduced. Hence, an armed response is unwarranted - if running into an unarmed scumbag.

I see enough scumbags. Fortunately, none is armed.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Toad
...... why should the government force a hospital to treat all emergencies? Shouldn't that be the hospital's decision?

And how would a hospital determine who to treat? Extent of injury? Ability to pay? Race of the patient?

[Horn]

Originally posted by Gixer
Which site did you get those stats from?
...-Gixer

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap


...and Beetle in CO you must wear a seatbelt inna car but don't hafta wear a helmet onna bike. Go figure.

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[Toad]

Originally posted by Airhead
And how would a hospital determine who to treat? Extent of injury? Ability to pay? Race of the patient?

My guess is that decision would rightfully be made either by the owners of a private hospital or the Board of Trustees of a "public" one.

Why should the government mandate it? You don't want them in your bedroom, right? But we spend gazillions of dollars on AIDS and AIDS related illnesses. How about every state pass a law requiring mandatory condom use with random checks by the local police? Like with primary seat belt laws?

Nope, you don't want the feds in bed with you but you don't mind them in someone else's hospital.

Funny how that works. The government should always be involved with regulating "that other guy".