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« Reply #75 on: September 02, 2004, 11:00:52 AM »
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Why does Bush need to "intervene"?

He just needs to let Russia get on with it and stop making diplomatic denounciations of Russian efforts to do so as previous administrations have done.

The Russians have been saying for years that these guys need to be wiped out.  They finally have world (US) opinion on their side and will probably do precisely that.  They will certainly try. ]


Exactly what I think.

Instead US government makes silly statements about elections in Chechnya being "not democratic enough" :(

Isn't it time to finaly make things clear, stop supporting crazy Georgian regime and give out known terrorists that got "political asylum" in the US?...

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« Reply #76 on: September 02, 2004, 11:06:21 AM »
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They have been fighting muslim militants for quite some time alright. How long exactly? Late '40s, I'd guess.


Nope. Early 20s. Of the XIX century.

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« Reply #77 on: September 02, 2004, 11:08:31 AM »
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Actually Gscholz I imagine if Putin and the Russians wanted to they could follow the example Bush and Blair set by now invading Iran as thier part of fighting "the war on terror."


I hope it's a joke... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #78 on: September 02, 2004, 11:20:27 AM »
Sort of.  It was sarcasm aimed at those who continue to post how the US invaded Iraq as a response to 9/11 and that it was justified as part of "the war on terror."


 I'm sure Putin can find some "proof" of Iran-Chechen alliance by reporting that a Chechen or two had an overnight stay in Iran or that they'd met an Iranian official of some sort in another part of the globe.  Add in Iran that Iran is radical, un-democratic and is supposdely rushing to build a bomb. Wullah. You got human rights violations, "not a bunch of nice guys" syndrome and of course the ultimate trump card they have or wil have WMD's! Putin has an air tight case!
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« Reply #79 on: September 02, 2004, 11:32:12 AM »
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I hope it's a joke... :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure it was, but just think about it. Russia would finally have the warm water port it needs :D

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« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2004, 11:37:33 AM »
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Look what the terrorists are doing in Russia now. Hiding behind children, Threatening to kill 50 per one of their terrorists killed.  


I want to remind you guys that it's not the first time. In 1995 Shamil Basayev's terrorist gang took a maternity hospital in Budennovsk, and held 1500 hostages, moslty pregnant women and mothers with new-born children.

That creatures don't deserve a right to live.

The only successfull tactics against Chechens since XIX century were fast massive army raids with one purpose: complete destruction of settlements where population contains militants/terrorists/gangsters, followed by negotiations. The only language they understand is brutal force. If they have a slightest reason to think that you are weak - they will only behave worse.

The names of terrorists are known. Warn the population of their home villages, give them 24 hours - and then burn the snake's nest with napalm. Any family guilty in posession of illegal weapons immediately goes under court martial and sent to sunny beaches of Taimyr. No mercy for the bastards. Yes, we are asians on our shaggy mounts and "barbarians who came to Chechnya from the East" (c) Grunherz. Only negotiate to make terrorists know that for every Osetin kid 10 of their relatives will be killed with bayonets. Families of suicide bombers all go to Taimyr, regardless to sex and age. Give them an autonomy there, surround it with barbed wire and watch how they will learn to hunt walruses and lemmings.

After two or three villages get burned to ashes and some "freedom fighters" families start to enjoy Polar night - the rest will give out the "rebels" packed with rope and beg on their knees to forgive them.

Otherwise they will keep on killing us.

Any life is sacred, but I prefer some highlander "freedom fighter" being killed instead of me and my relatives or friends.

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« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2004, 11:47:51 AM »
I'm with you Boroda on this one

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« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2004, 02:27:22 PM »
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I'm with you Boroda on this one

I'm a little worried too, for I am finding myself agreeing with him as well.

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« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2004, 03:00:59 PM »
WHats wrong with agreeing with him? This isn't a thread about the communist he loves so much..Just a country with a problem with the same kinda people we have a problem with..except for them it's gone on for much longer.

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« Reply #84 on: September 02, 2004, 03:23:37 PM »
Hey Boroda, i doubt your idea will work, it will just produce more terrorists.
Seen on TV today?, most of the terrorists are widows who lost their children and husband in the Chechnya war.
They lost everything and ready to for suicide.
I doubt you can fight this the usual way :(
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« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2004, 06:13:23 PM »
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Hey Boroda, i doubt your idea will work, it will just produce more terrorists.
Seen on TV today?, most of the terrorists are widows who lost their children and husband in the Chechnya war.
They lost everything and ready to for suicide.
I doubt you can fight this the usual way :(


Other than that first statement you've got it about right. You cannot fight this war the way we have fought others, period. When you are fighting against and enemy with nothing to lose you have to expect them to fight differently. The best way I can think of engaging such an enemy is to put yourself forward, into an areas of your choosing and let them suicide themselves against your armor and generally superior firepower until they run out. I know what you mean when you say we are creating more terrorists through creating orphans, but they WILL run out sooner or later. Its just a metter of time, kill off the radicals at a prodigous rate and you'll be amazed how many moderates start showing up.

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« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2004, 08:13:02 PM »
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Originally posted by GScholz
It's called freedom. Terrorism is a minor risk to your life ... minute in fact. You should be more worried about lightning strikes and meteors. And for God's sake never drive a car ... stay away from the roads altogether.

Terrorism is a minor risk; live with it. If you don't, the terrorists have truly won.


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« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2004, 09:53:30 PM »
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It's called freedom. Terrorism is a minor risk to your life ... minute in fact. You should be more worried about lightning strikes and meteors. And for God's sake never drive a car ... stay away from the roads altogether.

Terrorism is a minor risk; live with it. If you don't, the terrorists have truly won.


Live with terrorism? How about we fight it and kill all the terrorists if necessary. That's something I can live with.
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« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2004, 05:11:22 AM »
Yes, we must learn to live with them. Hopefully they will learn to let us live...  Right?

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« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2004, 05:39:27 AM »
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Hopefully most of them, but there will always be nutcases out there and even a police state cannot protect you from all of them. Live your life, don't worry about terrorism ... that's what they want, and the media is helping them a lot. Anyways, it's a minor risk not worth worrying about.


So most of the terrorists will stop? Just not the nutcases?  What's that mean?