fake purple hearts at the RNC

[Martlet]

Originally posted by B17Skull12
i don't have one, but this should be common sense in america.  We respect those who have served and been wounded not say ohh sorry you we are disrepecting you just because 1 person got it who shouldn't have.  you make me sick.

Ahhh, so you're just speaking for everyone.   You make me sick.

[Nash]

I'll say it again...

Bob Dole came out against Kerry's Purple Hearts, when one of his very own was received due to Dole throwing a grenade at a tree and having it rebound and explode near him causing flesh wounds not unlike the ones Kerry ostensibly received.

Bob Dole is a slut for doing this.

He is doing more harm to his own past, his own service, and the service of his great great great great grandchildren by demeaning the military for short term political gain.

And you are lemmings (actually, worse) if you buy into it.

[Stringer]

Unlike you, Nash, and many of us on this board, including me, Bob Dole earned the right to have his opinion regarding Kerry.  Whether agree with his political bent or not, his service and the serious wounds he received on the battlefield gave him the right to speak his mind on this.

You can bring up the grenade off the tree thing all you want.    Fact is he served beyond that point and was gravely wounded in combat.

On a personal note, my mother worked for Bob Dole when he was a County Attorney in Russell, KS.

Seems he was a decent guy to work for back then.  Go figure.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Stringer
Unlike you, Nash, and many of us on this board, including me, Bob Dole earned the right to have his opinion regarding Kerry.  Whether agree with his political bent or not, his service and the serious wounds he received on the battlefield gave him the right to speak his mind on this.

You can bring up the grenade off the tree thing all you want.    Fact is he served beyond that point and was gravely wounded in combat.

On a personal note, my mother worked for Bob Dole when he was a County Attorney in Russell, KS.

Seems he was a decent guy to work for back then.  Go figure.

Wait a sec, lets look at what you're saying here....

" his service and the serious wounds he received on the battlefield gave him the right to speak his mind on this."

He did recieve serious wounds.

He also recieved less than serious wounds.

In fact he recieved the kind of less serious wounds which earned him a Purple Heart and upon which he's basing his attack on Kerry.

Go figure, huh?...

[Lizking]

Nash, Mr. Dole never ran on his awards or made them an issue.  He never mentioned them at all.

Kerry is still, even today in his speech, pressing the point that he will be a better CiC BECAUSE of his service(all 4 months and three non-threatening PH's worth).  That is the dif, and if you can't see that you just do not want to.

[Stringer]

And Kerry received what kind of lifelong serious wounds....

Yeah, let's wait a sec here.

Answer this and this only.

Which person came away from their combat service with grave wounds that left them with a permanent physical handicap and which one didn't....Dole or Kerry?  I think he's basing his opinion on that.  

I think he earned it.

Go figure.

BTW, I liked your quote from an earlier thread about who should and shouldn't get involved in stuff like this.  I thought you were spot on.

I will not attack Kerry on his service.  He served.  I haven't.  But I won't fault Dole for his opinions, based on the same premise.  He served, and I haven't.

Maybe Dole should start comparing Senate Service as well.  I know it would be a more relevant debate.

[B17Skull12]

stop hijacking this thread with Dole, we are trying to concentrate on Purple hearts.

Martlet please do tell us you think those men who got the purple heart in WW2 aren't Hero's who got injured for the idea of democracy in the World.  you look blinded by the following line in the Movie Patton  "NO man ever won a war by dying for his country, he wont it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."  The men who got the purple heart fought and got injured for their country and democracy.  You have a few exceptions that shouldn't have it and are counsider traitor of the US imo.  but disgracing all the fine men and women who have gotten injured for their country.  i don't know that really a horrible thing to do.

[Nash]

Hey, if I tell you that I volunteered for the United Way while you were busy sitting on yer bellybutton watchin' O'Reilly, does that make it cool for you to point out that I droped my ladle on the food-line?

Kerry makes no secret of his service. shreckin A' MEN he should not. Say it, and say it loud. I sure as hell respect it.

People who come out attacking it based on, like, other than the Silver and Bronze Stars, a Purple Heart was self inflicted make me wanna puke.

[Lizking]

I do not think there is any doubt that at least one, probably 2 of his purple hearts were self inflicted, though not on purpose.  That doesn't mean he did'nt deserve them, but the fact that he requested them says volumes.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Funny.

How often have we have threads in here saluting aces from WW2 or WW1 or some decorated hero from the little conflict we are all drawn to in a historical way.

How many times have we had a thread saluting a guy who .. worked in a war material plant making Liberty Ships?

Both jobs were important and both men deserve our honor.

But anyone who says they get that same lump in the throat and that same welling of pride talking to a shipyard welder fronm Norfolk as they do a decorated veteran of Guadalcanal or a member of the 8th AF who survived his 30 trips over Germany defines disingenuous.

Red Herring Fallacy!  Neato!

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

I'm pretty sure the issue we were discussing was wheter Bush, a national guard fighter pilot who served in the vietnam era MILITARY but did not see combat (like most soldiers), could be bashed more than kerry who served in vietnam.  That has nothing to do with civilian factory workers.

I also remember that you couldnt quite win the original argument )I think yiu even admitted as much in a short, surprising moment of moral clarity) so now you compare kerry to some civilian welder or riveter.  OK, so now you are back on track, If you need to set apart kerry from  somebody I can understand this desperate tactic.    

Your dumb arguing style and yiour hipocrisy define disinguenous.

[Nash]

heh Grun... if not for anything else.... at least I can completely relate to you based on your horrible grasp of what should be rudimentary spelling.

I feel your pain.

[GRUNHERZ]

Do you coad as well?

[Nash]

Nah, I make piktures.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Red Herring Fallacy!  Neato!

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

I'm pretty sure the issue we were discussing was wheter Bush, a national guard fighter pilot who served in the vietnam era MILITARY but did not see combat (like most soldiers), could be bashed more than kerry who served in vietnam.  That has nothing to do with civilian factory workers.

I also remember that you couldnt quite win the original argument )I think yiu even admitted as much in a short, surprising moment of moral clarity) so now you compare kerry to some civilian welder or riveter.  OK, so now you are back on track, If you need to set apart kerry from  somebody I can understand this desperate tactic.    

Your dumb arguing style and yiour hipocrisy define disinguenous.

Wrong, but nice try. Maybe more words will help.

[GRUNHERZ]

It's pretty obvious where you stand on the original issue MT...

Though your additional thoughts about fcatory workers and soldiers were an intersting tangent..