Author Topic: fake purple hearts at the RNC (Read 6679 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #75 on:** September 01, 2004, 04:35:51 PM »

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I just liked the picture..

Oh BTW Toad. Yes, but to a lesser degree since it didn't include actual combat.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #76 on:** September 01, 2004, 04:42:40 PM »

Great picture.

So what MT is saying that it's OK, or at least more OK, to bash a person who served in the milittary but did not see combat. I guess that means that any soldier, marine, airman based in non combat areas like Europe or the USA or Japan is fair game as are prolly most members of the Coast Guard.

Toad · « **Reply #77 on:** September 01, 2004, 04:44:00 PM »

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It was in poor taste. But then so are all of the attacks on Kerry's service record.

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Oh BTW Toad. Yes, but to a lesser degree since it didn't include actual combat.

OK, let me get this straight. Attacks on Kerry's service record are in poor taste.

Attacks on Bush's service record are also in poor taste but to a lesser degree because Bush didn't serve in combat. In that, of course, he's like the vast majority of people who served in the US Armed Forces during the VietNam years.

I lived next door to an Army SF guy that spent all of the VietNam years in Germany with his A team. He's just a lesser quality Green Beret, I guess?

Because there are "degrees" of service right? My service has less value than Kerry's simply because, while I was commissioned in 1973, the war was essentially over by the time I got to my front line unit. The fact that I served another 6 years in Cold War "peacetime" makes me a lesser veteran.

Man, if I'd have only known, eh? No point in serving unless you can get in on a shooting war, guess.

Are guys like RPM and yourself really that blind to your own hypocrisy? Say it ain't so.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #78 on:** September 01, 2004, 04:45:50 PM »

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Say it ain't so.

He will.

midnight Target · « **Reply #79 on:** September 01, 2004, 04:49:58 PM »

Nobody said the service was of lesser value. .....

On second thought I guess I am sortof saying that. I guess I believe that a guy who got shot at deserves a little bit more respect and admiration. In the same regard I respect service more than non-service.

I respect your service Toad, and I respect the effort and skill that anyone who mastered a Century model fighter must have. I just think getting shot at is even more worthy in the long run.

demaw1 · « **Reply #80 on:** September 01, 2004, 04:58:11 PM »

Suntracker, why does it matter if Gunslinger was in combat or not ?I dont see the point , I dont even see the point if someone was in the military or not. So wheres the beef?

Lizking · « **Reply #81 on:** September 01, 2004, 04:59:28 PM »

Think that through, MT, it is a pretty stupid viewpoint.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #82 on:** September 01, 2004, 05:02:13 PM »

I am sure my son, who is a SERE instructor in the Air Force, will want to know how some people think he is less worthy as he is not getting shot at.
Nevermind the commendations he has gotten or the letters from parents of service personnel that survived due the training he gave them.

I never got shot at either, but I ran a radio room that kept a comm link up for many who needed it to get out alive.

Yeah, we are less worthy.

Sandman · « **Reply #83 on:** September 01, 2004, 05:10:55 PM »

Ahem... I'm sure we've all heard the term, REMF.

Some service members consider themselves to be superior to others simply because of their proximity to danger.

I'm not sure it's the majority. Most vets I've known never got close to combat. I certainly never did... spent years in "war zones" but no one was foolish enough to take a shot at us. At the time, we were so hoping to get the chance to test our mettle and have the opportunity to engage. It never came.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #84 on:** September 01, 2004, 05:28:31 PM »

You'll have to excuse me if I seem short today but it was 120 out on the flight line and I spent MOST of the day ON TOP of a 52G.

Taking an award given to servicmen for wounds sustained while in combat and turning into a "band aid" to make fun of a wounded vet. kerry or otherwise should be beneith the republicans.

The republicans can truely win this election on truth and facts and should not resort to such low behavior.

Again I realize it was just a few individuals but it still angers me. Kerry could be a MOH winner and I still wouldnt vote for him, that doesnt mean ANYONE has the right to mock THAT medal or any others.

Coolridr · « **Reply #85 on:** September 01, 2004, 05:34:44 PM »

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Ahem... I'm sure we've all heard the term, REMF.

Some service members consider themselves to be superior to others simply because of their proximity to danger.

I'm not sure it's the majority. Most vets I've known never got close to combat. I certainly never did... spent years in "war zones" but no one was foolish enough to take a shot at us. At the time, we were so hoping to get the chance to test our mettle and have the opportunity to engage. It never came.

I agree with that...no one ever had the balls to mess with us..though the Iranians tested us and sent a swarm of small fishing boats at us..trying to make us think they were Boghammars doing a swarm attack..to see if we'd open fire. This happened on our 2002 cruise. There's no way that couldn't have been set up. Just like the Airbus VINCENNES shot down.

Nash · « **Reply #86 on:** September 01, 2004, 05:34:59 PM »

I see it a bit differently than MT, but the result is the same.

Going after a guy over whether a Purple Heart was awarded on the basis of a sliver or bomb is different territory than going after a guy who doesn't even show up. It's just way different to me.

One questions a man's service. The other questions if there was in fact any.

YMMV.

Lizking · « **Reply #87 on:** September 01, 2004, 05:45:27 PM »

If I, with no military service, call Skuzzy a REMF, then he should kick my ass. If a combat veteran does it, it is different.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #88 on:** September 01, 2004, 05:46:33 PM »

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I see it a bit differently than MT, but the result is the same.

Yep, hipocrisy.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #89 on:** September 01, 2004, 05:48:55 PM »

Lizking got it right. Miltary guys and gals are always razing each other, but if a civvie tries it...well...it won't be pretty.