Arnold's speech..

[Wotan]

All the recent “unethical” and “criminal behavior” aside, this is how it works

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Westy
"why isn't it in the company's interest to retain the US jobs instead? "

does it boil back to the consumer? US - you and me

you ready to pay at least 4x as much for something made here than overseas in the name of US jobs? not many are and thus the move to cheap labor ... unions to share some of the responsibility too or is it all the "CEo and his million dollar bonus" fault - LOL

[Westy]

Absolutely.  Many of the unions and thier insane practices of getting absurdly high hourly wages for unskilled, brainless work were responsible too.
 
 But let's think deeper and broader here (try and follow me Archie. I know it's not your best strength).  What came first?  Repressive, greedy corporations or workers unions?

One of these days "Archie" you'll manage to do more than jibber jab your way through a topic.

oh, er.

- LOL

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Westy
"why isn't it in the company's interest to retain the US jobs instead? "

There's no incentive to keep them here. Quite the opposite

http://www.aflcio.org/yourjobeconomy/jobs/ns03312004a.cfm

Wonderful.


Look, two points that are important to consider.

One is that any time you take work done on your campus and farm it out, you lose a little. Either you lose core competency, you lose control over process, you lose timely intelligence about what's going on, etc.. Even just farming out tech supt is risky because a lot of US customers want an American-sounding voice on the other end of the phone. So while this helps "the bottom line" it erodes the company. I'm sorry - that's what happens. Outsourcing is not the same as buying another company and absorbing their skillset.

And second is what I mentioned before. If there are $M's around to pay bonuses and all that, why isn't it more important to use that money to keep your business inside your own walls? You can't say it's economically sound to ship jobs offshore to save money, and at the same time be paying out $M's to the guys who just did it. Viewed from the bottom up, it looks like some fat-cat just got a bonus for laying me off (and, no, I wasn't layed off).

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Westy
Absolutely.  Many of the unions and thier insane practices of getting absurd high hourly wages for unskilled brainless work were responsible too.
 
 But let's think deeper and broader here (try and follow me Archie. I know it's not your best strength).  What came first?  Repressive, greedy corporations or workers unions?

One of these days "Archie" you'll manage to do more than jibber jab your way through a topic.
 

I agree on Unions. Try to get a light bulb changed at Hughes or Lockheed and watch the gears churn.

Who am be Archie?

[OneWordAnswer]

Union$.

[Westy]

Archie Bunker  is Eagler.      The way Eagler "discusses"  issues here is frighteningly identical to the character Carrol O'Connor played on t.v.

[Eagler]

[Manedew]

"Don't be economic girlie men!"


anyone find that as funny as me .....


so he's Governor of the most populous state in the union?  LOL!

[Eagler]

who do the unions support Jughead?

why?

didn't you just say they caused their own problem? sorta like robin boy eddie gonna fix health care now AFTER he became a millionaire screwing it up -- LOL

couple of winners you have there, let me tell ya - LOL

LANDSLIDE BUSH!

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Westy
Archie Bunker  is Eagler.      The way Eagler "discusses"  issues here is frighteningly identical to the character Carrol O'Connor played on t.v.

Oh ... got it ... "Shut up you meathead" Archie.

[Westy]

""Shut up you meathead" Archie."

Exactly.        

Although I've not actually heard him call anyone here a heeb, via text anyway, I cannot vouch for what he does or doesn't spew at tthe monitor while he madly types away.

[Toad]

Of course, without Unions the high-paying jobs you bemoan wouldn't pay nearly so highly. The benefits like vacation, healthcare and job safety would be much closer to what Chinese workers are getting.

It's just not simple is it? Very tough to "have it all".

You want good high-paying jobs in the US? Are you willing to pay more?

You want to be competitive with the Chinese laborer? Say goodbye to most of your benefits and certainly your high pay.

Want to blame it all on the CEO's? Fine, but how will you change it short of dictating CEO pay?

It's a fine mess we're in Olly. It's never again going to be like it was.

[-MZ-]

Toad - Maybe....

LOS ANGELES TIMES

September 2, 2004  
 
Joe Mathews, Times Staff Writer

NEW YORK — With his speech endorsing President Bush a hit among Republicans at their national convention, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger may take his message on the road this fall to a key electoral state: Ohio.

The governor's chief of staff, Patricia Clarey, said late Tuesday that she had discussed the possibility of an appearance there with Bush campaign strategist Karl Rove and campaign manager Ken Mehlman. She said a decision on an appearance was not final and would depend on the governor's schedule and the president's political needs at the time.

"It's definitely on the table," Clarey said.

The move would be a departure from Schwarzenegger's reluctance until now to campaign for Bush outside California. It would put Schwarzenegger in a state in which he has long-standing business and personal ties — specifically to Columbus, a political bellwether. No Republican has won the presidency without Ohio.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arnold2sep02,1,2515984.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

[Skuzzy]

Toad, that is a bit of a stretch to say without Unions we would have benefits resembling what Chinese workers get.

Unions had thier place, and they were needed at one point in time.  They served to solve a problem.  A problem brought about by greed.

They have, themselves, now become a problem due to greed.

Somewhere, there is a compromise.  I do not know where it is, but there is one somewhere.