Note to Hightech

[RobMo68]

Originally posted by Flayed1
I've been a bish the entire time I've playd AH (for about 2 years) Has it really been that long already??  
 Any way the times I remember seeing fellow bish jump sides the most is usually after being steam rolled by rooks for 2 to 3 resets and right befor that 3rd or 4th reset  they jump to rook probably beacause they get tired of losing.
 And don't give me the Bish just don't work togeather speach I know there are some bish that just wanna do their own thing but I'll bet that go's for all 3 sides.
  I fly with the BOPs and we work togeather alot within the squad as well a cooping with other squads but from what I've seen It dosn't matter much how well you work togeather taking bases and defending them if you just don't have the man power to do both at the same time.
 My advice for newbs is rather than switch sides to find safty in #s find a sizeable squad to try flying with, like the BOPs for example you don't have to join the squad to fly with us and there are usually a good # of us on at any given time and as far as I know we are all willing to help a new player.
 I'm sure this would go for most squads  in Bishland and Knitland am I right guys?
  Sorry Rooks not to leave you out you guys probablly have great squads too but I just don't see you needing the help at the moment.

 Anyway thats my take on the situation.

BINGO---YATZEE---We have a winner!:D As a Knight of the Dirty Fokkers squad, I've been the poor bstrd alone trying to fend off the horde, until a few of my fellow knits recognize that we are about to loose an important base and come to help out. Which a few of them like getsome, grillman, spitman, guns06, as well as my fellow Fokkers have helped this NOOB on a regular basis, either beat back the horde, or pound them relentlessly and take the base back. Witness the last map of tour 55, FURBALL ISLAND,was for the most part controlled by the knits, even after repeated attempts by the bish and rooks to take back their bases! Not once were the knits ever kicked off that island completely(Sorry, I couldn't stop myself on that one). At other times it seemed as tho no one actually wanted to take any bases, they just wanted to Furball or spawn poach, or just vulch in general ! Maybe after playing the game for a year or so, I might be able to figure out the mentallity of the game (probably not).

But as far as the gamer VS simmer issue, we are all gamers, but a few of us are simmers too ! I started out with Flight Simulator on an Apple ii and Gunship on a Commodore 64, and have been hooked (line & sinker) on sims ever since. It gave me a chance to do something that I couldn't afford to do in RL, FLY ! In the end this is a game not RL, and people don't actually die (thank god). Simmers love lots of detail, and we all (gamers) just want to play!

So hats off to all those at Hitech, Microsoft, and etc.,etc. for creating these games (simms) for all of us to play! Otherwise we'd all still be playing asteroids at the local arcade, or doing something else with our spare time !

Anyways, that's my 2 cents on this, take it for what it's worth !:rofl

[Shane]

Originally posted by TexMurphy
so Shane please dont say that all noobs fly hoards, all that noobs learn is to hoard and get comfy in the situation and cant handle anything but it.
Tex

i never said that.

[RobMo68]

Originally posted by Ohio330
Like I said, I am not planning on avoiding the MA all together.
I would return to it to attempt to learn from the harder guys.
All Im asking is for a place to actually have fun, not neccessarily
learning... an alternative to the constant beating.
    As it stands now, I'll use the analogy of a pro football team.
I have never played organized football.  Say one day
a pro football coach comes up to me and tells me that if I pay $14.95/mo. he will start me in the Center position for every game.
I jump in and constantly get plowed on my back by a 400lb. guy.
I keep getting back up and jump back in to repeat same.   After
a bit I say to myself, WTF am I doing in this league at this point, this is no fun.
    I know that it takes time to learn..a lot of time.  I just want an alternative arena to go to when the bruises get bad.

That's what the Training Area is for! It gives you a place to go try new techniques, and learn form veterans like Fuzeman and many others, who you'd otherwise might have to face in the M A! It also gives you a chance to help other NOOBS learn from you. I've only been playing AH2 for 3 weeks or so, and split my time between the M A, T A, H2H, to learn from others!
Start out in the T A, try a new technique, and chances are that one of the vets or trainers will help you with any mistakes that you might be making. And don't get Miffed or discouraged if your technique doesn't work, try a new one! But most of all you have to be willing to crash and burn a few thousand times before you will get good enough to actually beat some of the Vets! See you there !:cool:

[Morpheus]

I think playing with people within my skill level would be more "fun".

Sure this is all well and good but how is this pushing the limits of your flying ability?

It simply is not. Re-read what shane wrote. Its some very wise advise from someone who's been there done that.

The only way to learn in this game, and I mean really learn how to fly and fight is to die, make many mistakes and try and learn as much as you can from those mistakes you've made and will make.

I will tell you the honest truth. I hate the new ENY system. It took the most fun out of the game. WHICH was fighting off the hordes. Be it Rook, Nit, or Bish. I always enjoyed and still do going into a fight that I know I will probably not rtb from. But I work as hard as I can to take as many of the hordlings with me in the process. I've gotten better at many things as a result of that.

For me there was never any satisfaction in flying in a horde and ganging any single con that is in sight. Not to say that I havent flown in a horde or where I've had numbers on my side, but its much more satisfying to win a fight on your own rather than with the help of others.

There are still hordes but they are evenly dispursed along each front line. Rooks have their little group, so do Nits and Bish. Where one follows the other and so on and so forth. But they have decreased in size as a result of the new eny system. The once massive Rook horde that forced me and my squad to move to the Nights is no more. And the Bish and Nights have evened up with the Rooks as far as numbers go on most nights.

Some could say this is a good thing some are going to say its bad. I think its just plain boring.

[DipStick]

Hate to say it and hope it doesn't sound like a flame but you sound like a quitter to me.

All of us who have played for years have taken our lumps and tried to improve.

Most of us are willing to go to the DA and help you some.

If you want to improve fight the best, film the fights and ask questions. If not go play FA.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Ohio330
Your really kinda missing the point.  I never said I wouldn't get any better..but as we all know, this game takes A LOT
of learning.  MONTHS.  

For a lot of us, it's taken years to get to the level.



ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Furious
You know, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, FA (fighter ace) had arenas like you suggest.  You know what happened?   The folks in them got good at whopping on the newest of newbs, but not good enough to survive in the mains, so when they got to the point that they were supposed remove their training wheels and leave that arena, they would open a shades account or auger until their score was low enough to get back in.

A newbie arena can be added and kept relatively free from vets coming in and raising hell with all the seal pups.  AW had a newbie arena and once you reached 10,000 points, you were unable to fly with any ammo.  For the newbie, it might take them months to reach the 10,000 point limit but for veteran pilots, they'd be able to reach this score in a flight and when they landede they were unable to take off with ammo.  This system pretty much kept the veterans out or at least in check.  But you still need a formal training program for this type of arena to succeed.


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by beet1e
...and 5,000 mere mortals of the AH community are treated to your accounts of this feat on a daily basis.

just a reminder beet1e.  Your project is way over due.  You were supposed to complile the stats from last tour and tell us if the new ENY balance system has effected which planes are most commenly used by the top ranked fighter pilots.  Are the Big Four still the Big Four or are we seeing some of the 'lesser' planes making more of an appearance?


ack-ack

[4510]

Originally posted by Shane


not directed at *you* ohio, but at noobs and so-called "vets" in general. "vets" have been very poor role models for you noobs, teaching you all sorts of lazy and shoddy habits because they've locked themselves into their little boxes.

I am trying to remember the last time I heard a "VET" say something on channel one like....

"HEY XYZ... if you are willing contact me privately... let me tell you what I saw in that fight and what I think worked and didn't"

Usually I hear "VETs" mocking someone because they are in a horde.. or it took three of them to shoot the Vet down etc.

[4510]

Originally posted by Ohio330
 Being a noob, I cannot say that I "learned"
anything from these engagements except that I turned, you
turned, I died.
     

And at this point is where you should wreck your keyboard... and when you are calmed down.... pander to the Vet's ego... and ask him if he will explain what tactics they used... what you could have done better etc.  Perhaps you get a response... and THEN the learning starts...

[KurtVW]

See, Ohio... This is what happens when you quote my post but don't have the experience to back it up

The game is fun or is not fun based on one thing... Your frame of mind.

My post was never intended to attack the 'Fun-factor' My post was intended to address the arena tweaking to 'balance' the opponents.

If you're getting the smack down, then you just need to learn the method.... I'm not getting the smack down (well, in September I am getting my record low score... but prior to that I was fine).

If you just need to work up your skills, you need a squad.  There are many... Mine is one.   You need a squad that fits your attitude... My squad is for people who cuss alot, and drink alot and stuff ... No, honestly Fate is a wicked bad squad... but if you have sensitive ears... well... keep walking...

Ok, back to the point... This game does have a steep learning curve... And that curve is only going to get more steep if you believe in my recommendations.  I'm selling a hard-core war-sim angle.

I believe in learning the weapon, applying the weapon and winning the war...

My post was in opposition to the automatic defenses changing strength to accomodate the weak team.  If you got anything else from my post, you might want to re-read it, because you may have it down wrong.

Anyhow, if you need training... My squad and many others are ready to help... Just ask.

[Steve]

I'm baaaaack.  I missed all the whining.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
just a reminder beet1e.  Your project is way over due.  You were supposed to complile the stats from last tour and tell us if the new ENY balance system has effected which planes are most commenly used by the top ranked fighter pilots.  Are the Big Four still the Big Four or are we seeing some of the 'lesser' planes making more of an appearance?


ack-ack

hehe, unfortunately, all I get when I visit the stats pages is a message saying "Netscape support coming soon". But it would have been an interesting project.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Steve
I'm baaaaack.  I missed all the whining.

Welcome back Steve....you came to the right place.

[Cobra412]

Ohio if this is the type of game you'd like to play your going to have to take the beatings until you get better.   The only thing I could suggest is exactly what other folks have said, find a trainer.   By flying with only new folks you won't ever learn anything except for maybe alot of bad habits.

Though I don't always agree with how Shane acts, he is an awesome pilot here.  You could learn alot from pilots such as Shane.  If you want to learn you have to start out with the basic flight maneuvers and basic gunnery.  In the process of learning these maneuvers you have to learn the concept of angles and energy management.  Once you have a decent handle on this you will need to learn merge tactics.  

Merge tactics can be the hardest because you need to know what the other aircraft is capable of and what your aircraft is capable of.  You have to be able to read the other aircraft if possible to know what's coming next.  If you don't understand e management, angles fighting and basic flight maneuvers this will be an almost impossible feat.  There are alot of writeups out there about these subjects. I know there are some in the training section of the BBS.  I suggest you read up some and take notes of what you don't understand.  Then go get one of the veteran pilots and ask them if they can show you what is being explained in the articles.

Basically what it comes down to if you want to survive in almost any of these arenas you need to take the time to learn.  Take the beatings and ask questions afterwards if you have to.  Film your engagements also so you can review them later and see what exactly the other pilot was doing.  If your still having problems understanding how they were setting up to kill you then post the film and ask for help.