First, I really don't get the preoccupation with suggesting that night would require standard AH radar to be taken away and replaced by on-board radar units. Why? If radar is present during the day, then it should be present at night. You want to turn out the lights for the enemy? Knock out their radar in the evening and keep it down and watch em fumble around all night. All 30 minutes of it.Because flying at night should really be that difficult, especially in a combat situtation. I mean, if you really want the challenge of flying at night, then why not ?
Take away radar at night, and the daytime radar has to go too. I understand wanting to promote historical accuracy...but c'mon...this isn't a historical arena. In the CT? sure turn out the lights for night fighting and make only those with radar equipped aircraft be able to see in the dark...unless of course their side had some kind of ground controlled radar to aid them. But main arena? Sheesh. P51's can fight F4U's in the MA. How freakin historical is that? Let's lay the historical accuracy thing to rest regarding radar and the potential of night fighting in the MA. Accurate flight and gunnery models are as historical as the MA gets.I am not looking for historical accuracy ... I am looking for accuracy.
Just because night would roll around in the MA does not preclude that all those guys who enjoy dogfighting will be inclined to now up a bomber. You will not see, to any perceivable degree, an increase in bombers in the MA if it is night. For the most part, people will still fly, at night, the same planes that they fly during daylight hours in the MA.
If you want night, an you want the immersion of flying at night, then really all that should flying the friendly skys of AH are bombers and bomber hunters. Bombers have no radar ... they just know their target, and the bomber hunters have on-board radar in a 12 mile radius. Now this, to me would be real fun. Trying to out think where the bombers might be going and then doing a bomber-hunter sweep to find them.
It would be cool if we had radar equipped night fighters on hand, but we don't and I doubt there are any plans to add any. But why do we thinnk HTC would have to model night fighters fitted with on board radar to bring back night? They don't. And people would just use the heavily armed Ju88's and Bf110's and P61's, Mossies, etc to pop gv's during the day, flatten airfields, vulch with really big, bad guns and kill CV's during the day anyway. When radar was knocked out for a country, everybody would just up a radar equipped aircraft. There goes your historical accuracy out the window again AND there goes any incentive to knock out radar...which would be a blow against the quality of game play. I can hear the whining already.Simple ... on-board radar would only work during MA night time.
But, let say their radar did work during the day ... so what ... if radar went out, wouldn't it be cool to send up multiples of these planes to act as a temporary radar system and the guys flying these planes would then radio-text any inbound that they find. You want something new ... something different ... something else ... that would be the bomb in my book.
Why do people who like the night have to prove that dogfighting took place at night in order to bring it back? Large scale dogfights between groups of single engined fighters probably didn't happen at night any more often than kamikaze dive bombing B17's took out CV's during WW2. The difference between those two type of events though is that single engined fighters were capable of flying and fighting at night and sometimes did (even if it was to intercept bombers), and it was highly unlikely that a B17 would make an even remotely suitable dive bomber. If it was possible (not historical) for an aircraft to do it, it should be allowed in the game. If not, then it shouldn't be allowed. It was possible for "day" fighters to fly and fight at night...so it should be allowed if HTC brings back night operations, without need for the addition of any specialty aircraft or modifications to the country radar system.I don't prescribe to the dive bombing buffs either and only hope that something can be done in that area.
As far as dogfighting at night ... the gunnery is AH II, for most, is much harder than it was in AH I, along with the fact of trying to distinguish plane sillouttes against the ground tiles during AH daylight hours ... I can only imagine the frustration of those who would now try to accomplish the same task in during AH night.
Can you say ... turn up the gamma momma !!! ... with that, you have now defeated the whole purpose of night and only the gamey gamers will survive.
Why is it the night lovers would be the one's that have to go HTH or have their own arena created? The MA is designed to support strategic play. If you want to dogfight exclusively without interruption, go to the DA. That's what it's there for. There's already an arena designed specifically for furballers, yet I guess the numbers are in the MA, so that's where the action is.Nice try ... trying to support your argument by using the "furballer" vs the "strat" guys does not make your argument any stronger or more valid. Having night or not having night trancends these 2 genres and supporters from both camps have voiced their opinions for both side of the fence.
The DA is for dueling that is what the "D" is for. Do not confuse dueling with furballing, it only makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about.
But the MA is intended for general game play. Strats are there, cities, ports, towns, airfields, etc. These are not soley intended to be nice scenery for those that love to dogfight. They have an effect on the game: resupply, radar capabilities etc. The MA play has begun to devolve into a free for all, first person shooter type team deathmatch...with a really great flight model. Some very cool features of the game are going un-noticed at least and apparently largely unappreciated.Nobody is forcing anybody to choose between flying fighters or bombers the last time I checked. So, if there are strats all over the place and "cool features of the game are going un-noticed at least and apparently largely unappreciated", then why is that ?
Are you saying that there is a conspriacy by the "furballers" to brainwash all bomber pilots into becoming fighter jocks and that is why the MA has "devolved into a free for all, first person shooter type team deathmatch...with a really great flight model" ?
Please enlighten me and the others as to how this devolution has taken place ?
What does it all this have to do with night in the MA ... Do we feel the need to blame someone or some group of people ? Of course we do.
I think most people who would like to see night come back, don't simply want to revive night time operations to look at the stars and the big fat moon. They want to try and bring back the strategy of fighting the "war" and forcing the reset. Night is something that forced a change in gaming tactics for a half hour or so, and interrupted the furball mentality long enough for the strategically minded to make a contribution to the arena and play the game in a way that matters to them.You would be surprized at the amount of people who could give a rats arse about the reset. This group would also include some who have requested that night be brought back.
I have been flying here for close to 3 years and have experienced many an AH night and I cannot agree that the pure existence of night "a change in gaming tactics for a half hour or so". For the most part is was SOP in the MA, it was just harder to see.
Again ... we need to throw the dig at the "furballers". It's all their fault DAMNNATION !!!
And please explain to me while the "furball mentality" is happily doing there thing, how does that interrupt the "strategically minded" from making a contribution to the arena and play the game in a way that matters to them ?
As it stands. Bombers still bomb. Strat guys still strat. GVers still GV, but the day...and thus the game...is owned by the furballers. It would be nice if the night could be once again owned by the bombers and guys that like to fly fighters in the dark to try to catch them. The new terrain would also help GV's do some really cool base takeovers and stuff under the cover of darkness as well. Night time has a lot to offer the open minded that are willing to try something "new".Total nirvana !!! Again ... its all the "furballers" fault ... nice try.
And if you don't like the night? Go fly in the DA or CT,TA or do some HTH for 30 minutes. It won't kill ya, and when you come back...maybe some pretty cool guys will have resupplied some bases, bombed the crap out of the enemy's strats, and got things set up nicely for your dawn furball patrol.If ya like night ... then turn down your gamma a touch (so you don't wreck your monitor and get DRED on your case ...
) along with the contrast and brightness and create you own immersive night. I won't kill ya ... well maybe it will, YMMV ... and when you come back ... you fill in the blank.
