Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Silat,
Yes Kerry served in combat for 4 months. Good for him. And we now know that you feel those 4 months are important in his qualifications to be president...
But what do you make of his 20 years in the Senate? 20 years where he never showed leadership on any particlar issue. Hardly ever wrote or co-sponsored any bills - and certainly no significant ones. 20 yaers where he missed viatl intelligence hearings. 20 years of no achievents whatsover..
What do you make of that service?
Please remember that we allready know what you think of Bush and I assume it will be tempting for you to say "but what has Bush done in only 4 years a governor of Texas before the 2000 race." However that doesnt answer the question and that has nothing to do with Kerry's 20 years on uninspired service.
Also drawing such a contrast would essientially make your pitch for Kerry be the following: "Bush had 4 years of poor govt service before becoming president, but Kerry had 20 years of poor servuce - so Kerry is better!!!"
Finally just saying "I dont like President Bush and the job he has done" says nothing about how you view Kerry's poor 20 service in the seante..
So please tell us what you think of Kerry's 20 year senate record?
Grun I have never even mentioned that his service had anything to do with his qualifications for President.
But your imaginary conversation that I would have is another nice spin.
And I shouldnt have to lead you by the nose to GOOGLE his senate record. And I dont mean the Hannity version.
His 20 years of government experience certainly stacks up to Bushs government experience.
As far as his time in the Navy it is all documented by the Navy. Are you saying the Navy is lieing?
Why dont you take the time to check the facts before you start arguing by making up conversations I might have.
The outright lies by both sides are outrageous but the right is much better at it.
Kerry enlisted with the U.S. Navy in Feb 1966 and was discharged honorably from the Navy in Jan 1970. In between, he requested to be sent to Vietnam and he served two tours, only one of which lasted over 4 months.
http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/othersbvlies.htm - Links so you dont have to google to much:)
Senate record links.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0421103http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/issues/legislation.html#Cheney's record because George didnt serve in the house.
He opposed federal funding for abortions -- with no exceptions in the case of rape or incest.
He voted against the Equal Rights Amendment for women, along with 146 other members of Congress in 1983.
On Education, he consistently opposed funding of Head Start and voted against creating the Department of Education.
Cheney was raised in Wyoming and opposes, as many Westerners do, gun control limits.
He was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets.
Three years later he was one of only four members of the House voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. The National Rifle Association did not oppose this ban.
Also in 1988, Cheney voted to scrap a proposed national seven-day waiting period on handgun purchases.
On the environment, Cheney opposed refunding the Clean Water Act. He voted to postpone sanctions slapped on air polluters that failed to meet pollution standards.
And he voted against legislation to require oil, chemical and other industries from making public records of emissions known to cause cancer, birth defects and other chronic diseases.
Cheney voted as a fiscal conservative too, supporting legislation to balance the national budget.
http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/cheney_record/ - More of his voting record. You might notice that alot of his "votes" are the same as Kerry's although he criticises Kerry for the same vote.
