Author Topic: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake (Read 5097 times)

Hawklore · « **Reply #75 on:** September 12, 2004, 07:29:21 PM »

Yall have poor taste, slamming our president, and slamming a veteran..

Torque · « **Reply #76 on:** September 12, 2004, 08:37:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Silat
Well I cant find much online positive about Bush as Gov of Texas. Maybe you can educate me.
To be fair, Texas was at the top of some ratings:

* 1st in pollution released by manufacturing plants;
* 1st in pollution by industrial plants in violation of the federal Clean Air Act;
* 1st in greenhouse gas emissions;
* 1st in number of working parents without health insurance;
* 1st in percentage of children without health insurance.

* 2nd in number of children living in poverty;
* 2nd in percentage of population without health insurance;
* 2nd in number of children without health insurance (1st in percentage)

* 3rd in percent of non-elderly population without health insurance

* 5th in poverty rate;
* 5th in teen birth rate.

Here's a listing of where Texas is at or near the bottom relative to other states:

* 50th in teacher salaries plus benefits ("No Child Left Behind"? you've got to be kidding!)
* 50th in per-capita spending on government administration;
* 50th in per-capita interest paid on state's general debt;

* 49th in per capita general revenue;
* 49th in spending for the environment;
* 49th in per-capita spending on natural resources;
* 49th in percent of adults voting in November 1996

* 48th in per-capita spending for public health;
* 48th in per-capita spending for public parks and recreation;
* 48th in per-capita spending for public arts programs;
* 48th in per-capita tax revenue;

* 47th in delivery of social services;
* 47th in per-capita spending on highways;

* 46th in welfare benefits as a percentage of poverty-level income;

* 42nd in state and local government welfare spending;
* 42nd in per capita high school completion rate (from the "Education President"?)
* 42nd in per-capita revenue from current charges (tuition, fees for products/services, highway tolls, etc.)
* 42nd in spending for public libraries (the First Lady is a librarian!)

* 39th in physicians per capita

* 38th in immunization rates;

* 35th in per-capita education spending for K12 and higher;

* 32nd in average life-expectancy;

* 31st in infant mortality rates.

Isn't that right inline with the Conservative platform?

Bodhi · « **Reply #77 on:** September 12, 2004, 08:40:29 PM »

Very poor taste RPM...

Otto · « **Reply #78 on:** September 12, 2004, 09:33:43 PM »

Silat, there did you get the data on Texas?

Eagler · « **Reply #79 on:** September 12, 2004, 09:50:57 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
...If the memos are fake, were they planted by Republicans as sabotage? ...

Of course the Republicans did this to themselves... a lib can never do ANYTHING wrong/illegal and be held accountable for it. Even if he did it, it wasn't his fault....

what retarded, twisted thinking the handsomehunkcras are getting into now - and we are still about 7 weeks out - LOL LOL LOL

lazs2 · « **Reply #80 on:** September 13, 2004, 08:28:52 AM »

nice list silat... looks like a border state with mexico from the list.

can you tell me which of those things got worse under Bush's watch as governor?

seems that set scores for kids who don't speak english might be a little low as would be the salaries and schooling in extremely poor districts.

lazs

slimm50 · « **Reply #81 on:** September 13, 2004, 09:04:35 AM »

FWIW, my wife has been a secretary for a well-known phone company for 35 years, and has used almost every kind of typewriter of the major manufacturers that's ever been out on the market. She says she used a proportional-space machine back in the 70's, but the superscript feature simply wasn't possible unless you used an IBM selectric and went through the trouble of changing the ball in the middle of whatever you were typing. No one did that, in her experience.

AKIron · « **Reply #82 on:** September 13, 2004, 12:51:02 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
One little thing about "the education President", When Texas TAAS test scores rose, so did the drop out rate. Just force the slow ones to quit and it makes the rest smarter.

No one is forced to quit. "No child left behind" isn't about lowering standards so that everyone passes though. That seems to be the liberal way. The conservative way is to set reasonable standards, require them to be met and help everyone willing to do so. Slackness in enforcing the standards turns everyone into slackers.

I would very much like to see your source on your stats Silat.

-MZ- · « **Reply #83 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:30:02 PM »

CBS News is standing by their report.

A bunch of biased web sites passing judgement by looking at scanned PDFs of copies is not convincing, unless you're a talk radio zombie, then you'll believe anything.

AKIron · « **Reply #84 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:37:22 PM »

How hard would it be for CBS to acquire a typewriter used by the Air Force in 1972 and reproduce (using only one ball of course) an identical document? This would lay to rest much of the speculation that they reported on forged documents. That they haven't done this speaks loudly.

Eagler · « **Reply #85 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:40:34 PM »

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Originally posted by -MZ-
CBS News is standing by their report...

so what ... to do otherwise is to toss the match on the gasoline soaked skerry campaign --- LOL

Nash · « **Reply #86 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:53:33 PM »

Here's one of Bush's records from 1968, released to the media by the White House itself.

Would ya look at that?! A raised "th". How could it be???

What's the other claim issued by the wingnuts? Times Roman wasn't available then? It's been available since 1931.

Anything else?

-MZ- · « **Reply #87 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:53:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
so what ... to do otherwise is to toss the match on the gasoline soaked skerry campaign --- LOL

They are a reputable news organization, a totally alien concept to those who live in the right-wing echo chamber of Rush, Washington Times, etc. If they thought they were wrong they would admit it.

AKIron · « **Reply #88 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:56:31 PM »

What's the date of that document Nash?

AKIron · « **Reply #89 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:57:31 PM »

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Originally posted by -MZ-
They are a reputable news organization, a totally alien concept to those who live in the right-wing echo chamber of Rush, Washington Times, etc. If they thought they were wrong they would admit it.

You are very trusting of news organiztions but not so trusting of government eh?