Let's get ready to RUMBLLLLLLE!

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Steve
To an extent, yes.  If you cut the minimum wage in half, many goods would be much cheaper..one follows the other.

Do you not agree that cost of labor has an influence on how much a company charges for widgits?

Yea but if you got rid of the unions you could lower costs even more then if you lowered the minimum wage

[TweetyBird]

Rises in wages, in taxes for bussiness, decreases in wages , decreases in taxes for businesses, are nothing but the direction of a money loan. Raise wages ( or taxes for businesses), the consumer gets a loan which he will soon pay back in higher prices. Lower wages (or taxes for bussiness), and the consumer gives a loan, which hopefully will be paid back with lower prices.

Businesses are notoriously slow in paying back. Consumers have no choice but to pay back - everything goes up!

You cant unring the bell, but its time to stop all the loans and face the problems that come up without artificial wage or tax increases.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by rpm
Minimum wage laws were enacted because corporations were not paying a "fair" wage...they still don't today. But, if they had not been enacted we would still have people working for less than $1 an hour.

you think minimum wage is a fair wage?

[Toad]

Put "effect change minimum wage" in Google and do a little reading.

I predict both sides in this current argument here will be somewhat suprised.

[NUKE]

Can anyone list an example of somone living off of minimum wage?

[Steve]

Yea but if you got rid of the unions you could lower costs even more then if you lowered the minimum wage

Absolutely.   Unions generate wages for skills that are simply not worth what the consumer, ultimately, pays for.

People can argue that unions ensure wages/benefits for the members. Sure they do, but these same people never bother to consider who pays for the wages/beneifts.  Not the employers... but consumers..... themselves.

[Toad]

BTW, Kerry the Great Hunter made himself look like a total maroon in my eyes on the Assault Weapon Ban.

Clueless doesn't begin to describe him.

Thank Cod we got rid of those bayonet lugs. I wonder if he even knows the actual elements the ban changed.

[TweetyBird]

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
the same thing holds true for this so call "Tax on those earning over 200K"

do you really think they are going to absorb this tax?

these are the people who own and run the buisnesses.
Any time their costs go up. for ANY reason including taxes. They just pass it on down the line.
so yea you may get a bigger tax break due to the wealthy having to pay more but thats gonna be offset by the increase in prices
Sooo your just handing it right back.
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I completly agree on the tax issues.

The bar I used to work at had property taxes raised on him by 10%

You should have heard the grumblings when the pice of a bottle beer (domestic) went from $2.00 to $2.25

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And when I said (about 3 months ago) that people making less than $60,000 a year pay the taxes in the country, I was regarded as nuts. I guess its pretty evident that although a business may write out the check for taxes or wages, he sure aint paying it out of his pocket- the consumer is,  someone making less than $60,000 per year.

In spite of what any candidate tells you, they really don't want you *that* rich. Every ant pile needs worker ants. God forbid if the taxes couldn't be passed down (e.g. people just stopped buying frivilous depreciating things to get them through the boring work week). The consumer economy would colapse.

[MrCoffee]

Ok I went back and edited my earlier posts. I'll just be honest with what I think. I think after all the debates and threads that Kerry has a much better set of domestic agendas and plans. I think its actually impressive really. On the war on Terror and foreign diplomacy, Bush is strong in that department. I think the UN is not trust worthy and cant be depended on when it counts. The goals of the UN are too lofty for many of the coutries that are a part of the UN. I think Bushs domestic agenda is very weak though. Im somewhat sure that Kerry could provide better diplomacy than Bush but its more certain that Bush would go to war if needed. As a commaner in chief Kerry is untested and his vote in the first Gulf war doesnt give me confidence there. However as a young man, he did go to war and did serve so Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there and use his judgement. Thats how I feel about the two candidates.

[SunKing]

Bush wins

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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Ok I went back and edited my earlier posts. I'll just be honest with what I think. I think after all the debates and threads that Kerry has a much better set of domestic agendas and plans. I think its actually impressive really. On the war on Terror and foreign diplomacy, Bush is strong in that department. I think the UN is not trust worthy and cant be depended on when it counts. The goals of the UN are too lofty for many of the coutries that are a part of the UN. I think Bushs domestic agenda is very weak though. Im somewhat sure that Kerry could provide better diplomacy than Bush but its more certain that Bush would go to war if needed. As a commaner in chief Kerry is untested and his vote in the first Gulf war doesnt give me confidence there. However as a young man, he did go to war and did serve so Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there and use his judgement. Thats how I feel about the two candidates.

[size=20]YOU KNOW NOTHING LITTLE MAN!!! TO THE DUNGEON!!![/SIZE]

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by MrCoffee
Ok I went back and edited my earlier posts. I'll just be honest with what I think. I think after all the debates and threads that Kerry has a much better set of domestic agendas and plans. I think its actually impressive really. On the war on Terror and foreign diplomacy, Bush is strong in that department. I think the UN is not trust worthy and cant be depended on when it counts. The goals of the UN are too lofty for many of the coutries that are a part of the UN. I think Bushs domestic agenda is very weak though. Im somewhat sure that Kerry could provide better diplomacy than Bush but its more certain that Bush would go to war if needed. As a commaner in chief Kerry is untested and his vote in the first Gulf war doesnt give me confidence there. However as a young man, he did go to war and did serve so Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there and use his judgement. Thats how I feel about the two candidates.

I actually thaught Kerry's "plans" that he's been talking about would be better.

I was disapointed that he needs to propose to spend 10 trillion dollars more that bush has and has no "plan" to actually pay for them

His other les costly ideas I flat out disagree with.

[Eagler]

liberal != math skills

especially when it comes to accounting on how they spend your money

[Krusher]

Originally posted by rpm
The last time the minimum wage was raised gas was around .85 a gallon. Raising the minimun wage to keep up with the cost of living is just common sense.

Its a tax increase on buisness both large and small period.

I would support it only if it was based on two things:

If you are over the age of 18, If you are under the age of 17 it stays the same.   Raising it only makes it easier for them to quit school or fail to take school seriously

If you have children or dependants.

RPM I doubt that you can find a Mcdonalds or 7-11 that actually pays minimum wage.  The business that do pay minimum wage are usualy the ones least likely to be able to afford paying more.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by NUKE
you think minimum wage is a fair wage?

Depending on the job. Yes