No (more) guns please - we're British

[Curval]

Originally posted by AKIron
BTW, I too am only one man on "some obscure internet BBS" and I'm confident I can find more threads here with anti-gun posts from Brits.

Those threads would be more reactionary than any sort of attack I can assure you.

[AKIron]

OK, I went back to my post, I guess I can see how it could be misinterpreted. When I said "you shouldn't expect us to watch your borders and prevent smuggling" I was referring to Beet1e's request of "No (more) guns..." I was not talking about protecting you from invaders, only that we aren't going to be held responsible for guns that are smuggled from the US into England.

Regarding the UN, there has been a growing effort to ban the personal ownership of firearms worldwide. Charlton Heston wasn't the first to say it and he certainly won't be the last, "when you pry it from my cold dead fingers".

[GtoRA2]

This thread should have been titled No (more) guns please- We're *******.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by AKIron
"when you pry it from my cold dead fingers".

that can be arranged.

[lazs2]

Not sure what the anti gun guys are saying here.  Are you saying that without guns.... people who are intent on commiting murder will simply not do so?

certainly a lot of the murders like the ones where wives finally shoot an abusive husband won't happen but data shows that abused women often end up being murdered so ... you just trade one for the other.    

Americans fight back.... if criminals break in or try to mug us we fight back.... if we have guns it usually ends with either the criminal running away or getting shot.   without guns it will make the criminal bolder and he will cause death or injury to the defenseless homeowner.... he certainly won't give up his chance to get enough money for the next bowl of crack simply because he might have to fistfight with some elderly person or woman.

Fact is... deselys is correct.. we need training to carry concealed but... not so much as he thinks perhaps.   My proof is the overwhelming success of the programs with sometimes minimal training..... No real problems with concealled carry permit holders have shown up....

I think one reason for this is that Americans were raised with guns... they need less training than perhaps other countries..especialy when it comes to handguns.... I would like to keep it this way.

vorts soundbites are simply ludicrous and baseless.    his competent mugger one was really silly.   Let's just say... mugger holds nife out and demands wallet.... instead of wallet he get's muzzle flash from keltec 380 or airweight smith... Don't know what those are?   didn't think so.

lazs

[Leslie]

Originally posted by lazs2
shooting someone is an absolute last resort.   Everyone except criminals understand this.

but... spookie knows all about things cause he "feels" it... he denegrates mavericks service as a policeman when It very likely that maverick has encountered upset citizens that also happen to own firearms....  thousands of times more often than spookie...

spookie lives in a country where guns are banned yet people still commit murder there.... we live in a country where millions of citizens have concealled carry permits and go around armed and they cause no problems at all.... The FACT is that they are the most law abiding group ever studied.

spookie offers no data to back up his claims that arming citizens would cause wholesale slaughter.    His only reason being that only people like himself are capable of handling the power of the big bas boogey man.... the firearm.   It should be restricted to royalty and elite cops.

Just like Mav is doing.... cops here would laugh at spookie.... if they didn't get angry instead.

lazs

Spook and his partner were in a confrontation with 130 men surrounding them.  Spook had to fight for his life, the old fashioned way without a gun.  He kicked their butts so good they left him alone, and the "australian rednecks"never messed with him again.


Les







Les

[GtoRA2]

Come on Laz, you know Anti gun people live in a fantasy land..

A land were somehow, when a gun law is passed it makes criminals, who brake the law all the time obey it.

They have faith criminals will obey those gun laws, but some how the average joe gun owner won't and can not be trusted.

They do not trust anyone, sometimes not even themselves cause those guns are evil. They do not believe in god in many cases, or anything supernatural, but guns, now guns are true evil and will make you do bad things.

There is only one reason to them for high murder rates! GUNS!

There can be no others reasons.

Arguing with them is a waste of time, they are ignorant, and will never change their view.

[GtoRA2]

Grrrr Stupid double post. Must be an evil gun manipulating my puter.

They are tricky like that...

[AKIron]

Originally posted by vorticon
that can be arranged.

Not by some gunless nancy.

[lazs2]

GTO and leslie.... Ya know... I really do understand the mentality that is so anti gun... It is simply that there is a huge media bias against guns and so mauch bad information and sensationalism... Most myths are dispelled with a simple shooting session but some are ingrained too deeply.... they are told constantly of the evil by blather and company so it just can't be ALL wrong can it?   yep... it all can be wrong.

some has to do with elitism... those who feel that they can't trust their fellow man because people (except themselves and other elites who share their views of the world) are stupid and clumsy and murderous....

some of it has to do with fear of weapons.... Freud explains that one pretty well.

lazs

[vorticon]

Originally posted by AKIron
Not by some gunless nancy.

bucket of water all over your front steps, in the middle of winter. simple.

[GtoRA2]

maybe were you are from, it would be evaperated around here by morning.


lol


I think you best bet it to dress in drag and hit on him, then hit him over the head with a frying pan!


Course then they will try and ban those!

[AKIron]

Originally posted by vorticon
bucket of water all over your front steps, in the middle of winter. simple.

No front steps and you can count the days on yer hands that water would freeze on my porch anyhow.

That does remind me of a story though. I spent a year in Korea without a car and so walked pretty much everywhere I went. I was walking to work one very cold morning and was about 50 feet behind a guy that slipped on a patch of ice and plopped flat on his ass. I snickered. When I go to the patch of ice I did the same damn thing.

[vorticon]

vorts soundbites are simply ludicrous and baseless. his competent mugger one was really silly. Let's just say... mugger holds nife out and demands wallet.... instead of wallet he get's muzzle flash from keltec 380 or airweight smith... Don't know what those are? didn't think so.

im also not sure what a nife is, please educate me.

 how does your gun fit in if the mugger say, steps out of a shadow behind the gun, hits him on the back of the head, then takes what he wants, including the gun. or, guy steps out behind him, puts a knife to his neck, then demands the wallet.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by vorticon
im also not sure what a nife is, please educate me.

 how does your gun fit in if the mugger say, steps out of a shadow behind the gun, hits him on the back of the head, then takes what he wants, including the gun. or, guy steps out behind him, puts a knife to his neck, then demands the wallet.

My brother used to carry a .32 (I think) in a wallet shaped holster in his back pocket. Had a hole in the middle so you could shoot without removing the gun from the "wallet". Now he has three teenage daughters and has now gotten rid of all of his guns. I think they even have him buffaloed into voting for Kerry.