Don't get it -- what's wrong with MA?

[Traveler]

Seeker wrote:
"Regarding the "undisciplined horde":

I don't thik we'll ever see people taking the time to generate not follow complex missions with target assignments etc. as long as "mission spying" is both possible and unpunished.

It's seems a shame to me that all the effort that went into making the mission planner never lives up to it's potential because of this. "

All I know is that I have taken the time to generate several complex missions.  They resulted in missions that required between 15 to 30 slots filled.  When posted and advertised they were met with what appeared to me to be distain and when anyone bothered to join it was only to find out that they could neither read or comprehend the information presented to them.  Several were either unable to unwilling to learn how to properly use the plot board and even fewer could follow a route to a target.

I find fewer players willing to join a squad and work as a team.

[Traveler]

Elfie,
Did you report the guy using the foul langue to Hi Tech?  If not, don't complain about it.  by your inaction you encourage it.  If you did, thanks.

[Elfie]

Traveler, in that case I didnt have the film running but rest assured that the next time that same individual is in the area I WILL have the film running. There really is no excuse for continuing to swear on vox when you have been informed someone has small children who can hear it.

I wasnt complaining Traveler, I was merely responding to Seeker's post with an experience of my own

[DoKGonZo]

The only time I've felt the need to squealch range vox is when folks insist on discussing politics there. Any other time when language or behavior gets out of hand someone usually makes an appropriate remark like "less talking, more killing" and that ends it.

But that's just Rooks and on West coast flying hours ... I don't know what all kind of stuff goes on elsewhere or at other times.


Want the mission planner to get used? Make it so that base capture is only possible if posted in a mission, and only possible by those who join that mission. So there. Nyah! You probably want to have a EZ-Mission deal so somneone can quickly rig "attack A2 from A1." Likewise provide a quick "defend A2" mission. And allow troops to originate from anywhere to affect the capture due to the P-n-A crowd. Let people join in-progress up to some maximum number of players. Oh, and then give people who joined and succeeded some damn perks for it. Likewise if the defenders kept the base long enough to make the attacker's mission fail, they get perks.

Would people whine? Sure. Who cares. If the game plays down to idiots then all you get is a game full of idiots. This way you'd at least promote more organized play - even from the furballers who could go from place to place as a defensive unit. And freelancers could still pork-n-auger all they like - they just wouln't benefit as much as the guys who work as a group. Would it solve everything? Hell no. Would it still make sense 6 months from now? Who knows? Would it stop The Horde? Nope - but at least it may get people looking more subjectively at non-overrun parts of the map.


Overall I agree - and share the frustration - about having a game system where only maybe half of its features and assets (planes) are really used.

[Mak333]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The only time I've felt the need to squealch range vox is when folks insist on discussing politics there. Any other time when language or behavior gets out of hand someone usually makes an appropriate remark like "less talking, more killing" and that ends it.

But that's just Rooks and on West coast flying hours ... I don't know what all kind of stuff goes on elsewhere or at other times.


Want the mission planner to get used? Make it so that base capture is only possible if posted in a mission, and only possible by those who join that mission. So there. Nyah! You probably want to have a EZ-Mission deal so somneone can quickly rig "attack A2 from A1." Likewise provide a quick "defend A2" mission.

Too many whiny newbies would join up and screw up the whole mission.  Very bad idea.  There is nothing you can do about teamwork - that is what I have learned.  Unless you dramatically change the gameplay to force others to use teamwork to accomplish a goal, teamwork will be scarce.

[TalonX]

I need to look into this.  Is it still going on?

I really enjoyed flying in the SEA during SO.   1 life to live.

Of course, I always end up in the Cessna against the F-15 (hyperbole for effect) but the one life to live thing is what makes it work.

One gap in the MA (probably unavoidable) is the fact you have unlimited lives and no delay between spawns.   It's total BS to kill a fighter in your buffs only to have him re-engage in a fresh plane (due to a long mission, or whatever).

Likewise, it would eliminate vulching - (that is, delaying between spawns).  Imagine not getting 10 or more kills on the same guy at a field?

In this world of instant gratification, I can hear the whines now...  "I don't wanna wait!"

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Mak333
Too many whiny newbies would join up and screw up the whole mission.  Very bad idea.  There is nothing you can do about teamwork - that is what I have learned.  Unless you dramatically change the gameplay to force others to use teamwork to accomplish a goal, teamwork will be scarce.

I propose making missions more disposable. If there's 20 going on all the time, you expect a lot more to fail - especially with all the dweebs. But some will learn, and some won't. The ones that do will be rewarded. The ones that don't are no worse off than they are now.

[anton]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Running away from a Spit and bragging about your ability to do so does not constitute air combat.  Even the act of running does not demonstrate your skill since you are in a faster plane that, by all accounts, should be able to do that anyway.  Maybe AH would be more fun for you if you actually took some chances and attempted to push the Yak's envelope.  As it is, you flew it conservatively and got bored.  

Enjoy your time away from the game.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Because I chose not to fight your spitV low & slow Im not pushing the envelope?  But flying the spitV in what, yer 5th year? somehow IS pushing the envelope? Man I guess I really am confused about what challenge is all about. It's very likely I never will understand(your perception), so maybe you should just save yer effort.

I know I flew my yak into a great many precarious position & came out with victories & my plane in tact often, I dont care if some spit jok thinks otherwise. You may fool yerself, and maybe even some BBS readers. But myself, & those that flew with me, know otherwise.

& yes, I am enjoying my "time away", Thank you.


Anton

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by anton
Because I chose not to fight your spitV low & slow Im not pushing the envelope?  But flying the spitV in what, yer 5th year?

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I didn't fly AH five years ago, and the Spit V was most certainly not around at that time.  But don't let facts cloud things.

Man I guess I really am confused about what challenge is all about.

[/b]

Yes, you are.  Obviously.  The fact that the Yak-9U is one of the better rides in the game seems to escape you.

It's very likely I never will understand(your perception), so maybe you should just save yer effort.

[/b]

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.  I'm merely stating that running from a Spit V and bragging about it while flying a substantially faster plane does not equal air combat.  It doesn't even equal skill, not even a small amount of it.  In fact, you are the only person I've ever met in AH who used to routinely brag about the abilities of your plane rather than your abilities in that plane.  It baffled me.

Anyway, ta-ta.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Murdr]

pissing contest over.  45 mins, no reply
Guess his internet is also faster and less maneuverable than yours levi

[Traveler]

I thought way back when HiTech first announced AH 2 that one of the things promoted was an arena dedicated to mission oriented play.  My understanding was that  all activity within the arena was predicated on the existence of a planed mission or set of missions.  

That the missions would drive all activity within the arena.  No single flights, no long wolfs, no unsupported activity.  That perks would be awarded for successful execution of your assigned element of a mission and you would lose perks for not completing your assigned task.

Does anyone recall hearing about such an arena?  I understood that it would be released following the MA in AH2.

[TexMurphy]

Originally posted by Traveler
I thought way back when HiTech first announced AH 2 that one of the things promoted was an arena dedicated to mission oriented play.  My understanding was that  all activity within the arena was predicated on the existence of a planed mission or set of missions.  

That the missions would drive all activity within the arena.  No single flights, no long wolfs, no unsupported activity.  That perks would be awarded for successful execution of your assigned element of a mission and you would lose perks for not completing your assigned task.

Does anyone recall hearing about such an arena?  I understood that it would be released following the MA in AH2.

ToD.

soon(tm).

[anton]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying


I didn't fly AH five years ago, and the Spit V was most certainly not around at that time.  But don't let facts cloud things.

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Perhaps you are to dense to realize I wasn't sure exactly how long you have been stuck in that TRAINER ride, hence the question marks.



Yes, you are.  Obviously.  The fact that the Yak-9U is one of the better rides in the game seems to escape you.

[/b]
LOL, thats just funny.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.  I'm merely stating that running from a Spit V and bragging about in while flying a substantially faster plane does not equal air combat.  It doesn't even equal skill, not even a small amount of it.  In fact, you are the only person I've ever met in AH who used to routinely brag about the abilities of your plane rather than your abilities in that plane.  It baffled me.

Anyway, ta-ta.

-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]

It seems rather obvious to me that you are confused as to what bragging is.  Laughing at the GREAT MANY slowfires that would dive in from lofty alts & try to run down my Yak, is NOT bragging.  I found it comical at best, & wanted to share the laughter.


Anton

[Seeker]

Anton:

Do you think you could specify in what way you think a 1942 plane qualifies as a trainer ride in an 1945 arena?

Quite honestly; just 'cos you're pissed at Levi; I don't see where you come off dissing the premier fighter of WWII.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by anton
It seems rather obvious to me that you are confused as to what bragging is.  Laughing at the GREAT MANY slowfires that would dive in from lofty alts & try to run down my Yak, is NOT bragging.  I found it comical at best, & wanted to share the laughter.

Yet when one of them would occasionally catch you and shoot you down, the laughter would end and the wailing and gnashing of teeth would begin.  Remember, sometimes you actually have to demonstrate your abilities in the plane rather than just demonstrating the plane's abilities.  Even a first timer in a Yak can run from higher Spits if he pushes his nose down.

-- Todd/Leviathn