Author Topic: Think they'll do it? (Read 2312 times)

Gunslinger · « **on:** October 24, 2004, 11:34:55 AM »

A civil discussion on weather or not you think israel will take preembtive action against Iran if they persue proliferation of Nuke weapons.

My opinion says yes. They did it before with Iraq and Sadam, they will do it again. Israels neighbors are hell bent on destroying her, they would see this as in the best interest of national security.

The current admin will decry the action publicly but will probably be happy it got done and our hands are clean of it.

Octavius · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2004, 11:48:11 AM »

A civil discussion in the o'club!? No, I dont think they'll do it.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2004, 11:51:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
A civil discussion in the o'club!? No, I dont think they'll do it.

Yea I know.....I threw that whole "civil" part in there in hopes that it might tame the thread slightly. Oct. do you care to elaborate why you think they wont?

Stang · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2004, 11:53:05 AM »

If Iran and other countries in the middle east are still bent on Israel's destruction, as it appears to be, then perhaps Iran actually wants Israel to attack so there can be an all out retaliation against Israel, mirroring the six day war in 1967. In that conflict Israel struck first, however brought on by Nasser closing the gulf of Aqaba to Israeli shipping in a move provoking Israel to war. Nasser's goal was to pull Israel into conflict so the combined forces of the Arab states could annihilate her. Haha too bad the Israeli's beat their arses again.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2004, 11:54:22 AM »

curious, was there a major retaliation when they struck Sadams Nuke facilities in the 80's?

Staga · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2004, 12:15:00 PM »

Well US is supporting Israel; maybe Iranians should manufacture few tons of sarin and spread them in Washington; pre-emptive strike and as such fully acceptable as US and Israel have shown in Iraq and Sudan

Chairboy · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2004, 12:21:52 PM »

I wonder, what steps could a country like Iran take to develop nuclear weaponry without being attacked? Eg, what combination of diplomacy and foreign policy would allow a non-G8 country to get that sort of power?

In the 90s, I often felt sympathy for the plight of the palestinian refugees, for example, but right when their impassioned speeches to the media reached a point where I felt that 'yeah, these guys are getting the shaft', they'd start talking about zionist conspiracies and jewish bankers being pushed into the ocean and so on, and they'd lose me. I remember thinking, 'These guys would probably get further if they hired a PR company to manage their affairs'.

If you apply that to a country like Iran, I wonder what machinations would give them the latitude to build this stuff? Is there a right combination of words that the global players will accept?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2004, 12:25:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
I wonder, what steps could a country like Iran take to develop nuclear weaponry without being attacked? Eg, what combination of diplomacy and foreign policy would allow a non-G8 country to get that sort of power?

In the 90s, I often felt sympathy for the plight of the palestinian refugees, for example, but right when their impassioned speeches to the media reached a point where I felt that 'yeah, these guys are getting the shaft', they'd start talking about zionist conspiracies and jewish bankers being pushed into the ocean and so on, and they'd lose me. I remember thinking, 'These guys would probably get further if they hired a PR company to manage their affairs'.

If you apply that to a country like Iran, I wonder what machinations would give them the latitude to build this stuff? Is there a right combination of words that the global players will accept?

IIRC they had a UN team there to monitor they're development but ended up kicking them out or something.

Staga do you think a Gass attack on a nation's capital is equivilent to a strategic attack on a Nuke production plant?

Widewing · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2004, 01:05:51 PM »

Consider this: Israel IS a nuclear power. Its missiles can reach far beyond Iran. If Iran develops a nuclear capability (and in keeping with Iran's threat to destroy Israel), I'd expect a pre-emptive nuclear strike by Israel.

Therefore, if we let Iran develop nuclear weapons, we invite the strong possibility of a major nuclear disaster.

It's past time to quash the Iranian maniacs. But, I fear Europe lacks the will to participate. So, be ready for the USA and Russia to team up to eliminate the threat. Putin has already stated his determination to strike wherever he sees a threat (Iran has been supplying the rebels and terrorists in Chechnya). Likewise, Bush is no shrinking violet on Iran. Add the probability that Bin Ladin is currently in Iran and you have provided two of the world's most powerful nations with substantial motives to deal with Iran in a most violent manner.

My regards,

Widewing

Flit · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2004, 01:23:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Well US is supporting Israel; maybe Iranians should manufacture few tons of sarin and spread them in Washington; pre-emptive strike and as such fully acceptable as US and Israel have shown in Iraq and Sudan

Better yet spread a few tons of sarin in Helsinki, then maybe you might begin to understand

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2004, 01:25:32 PM »

Israel won't attack Iran with fighter bombers or missles...

Mossad will smuggle a small nuke into Iran's facility so that Iran can have an 'accident' that will destroy it's efforts and set it back 20 years.

Flit · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2004, 01:28:38 PM »

And yes, I believe that Isreal will take care of the nuke problem in Iran. They Know what would happen if they did'nt.

TBolt A-10 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2004, 01:28:43 PM »

Israel doesn't do anything alone. The U.S. is getting yanked into this one, & I'm sure Boosh is behind it somehow. sigh

Staga · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2004, 01:55:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger

Staga do you think a Gass attack on a nation's capital is equivilent to a strategic attack on a Nuke production plant?

You really haven't learnt anything about recent happenings, for example in N.Y and in Iraq ?

Do you expect a country like Iran to use conventional weapons against US nuclear arsenal?
Of course not or you would be naive; if third world country would attack against US it would use biological and chemical weapons and use different ways to delivere them to US.

Now what I don't understand why pre-emptive strike is acceptable if it's done by US or Israel but if some other country would hit you first you'd scream bloody murder?

btw when was last time Iran attacked against some country? When was last time US did the same?

Octavius · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2004, 01:58:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yea I know.....I threw that whole "civil" part in there in hopes that it might tame the thread slightly. Oct. do you care to elaborate why you think they wont?

They won't do a civil discussion that is. A few posts into it, so far so good.