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« Reply #180 on: February 02, 2005, 08:51:19 AM »
In my Jeppeson book, it shows the different airspaces graphically with example aircraft.  For instance, class D might show a Cessna 172, Class A shows a widebody Jet, and above FL600, it's a drawing of a space shuttle.
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« Reply #181 on: February 02, 2005, 09:15:35 AM »
Chairboy,

Just out of curiosity, why are you doing full-stop patterns when solo instead of touch-and-gos?  You can get a lot more bang for your buck if you do touch and go patterns...  Less hobbes time on the ground and all that.  Once you get let out to do more area solo stuff, you can head out to other airports and practice left and right patterns there without worrying too much about heavy traffic, and the getting there and coming back part can be good practice too.

Digging through my logbook, I found that my initial solo was at 15.1 hours, a .3 solo following a .8 warmup.  That was in 1988 at montgomery field, San Diego, where I did all my private pilot training.  My checkride was after about 75 hours due to a 2 year break in flight training, and I had 20.1 solo hours by the time of my checkride.  My goal had been to solo at 12 hours but I had a few times where I couldn't fly for a couple of weeks, and that put me a bit behind.  Almost all of that pre-solo flying was in a cessna 150.

Interesting things can be found in old logbooks :)

Dunno if you guys know who he was, but my civilian check pilot for my PPL was Glen "Pappy" Hesler.  He wrote a book about his military experiences called "The heart of the tiger".  I'm really lucky to have had the opportunity to fly with him.
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« Reply #182 on: February 02, 2005, 09:19:18 AM »
Congrats on you first Solo!!!!

Interestingly, here in Germany there is this tradition that you wear a tie when you have soloed and come to the bar that evening. It gets cut off by all the other guys. You are then honored by being allowed to spend some drinks :)

Its meant to remind you that planes and ties didnt match quite well, comes from the times when you had to hand-start every motor, and when a tie got into the propellor, well, it was unfortunate.

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« Reply #183 on: February 04, 2005, 12:45:39 AM »
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Just out of curiosity, why are you doing full-stop patterns when solo instead of touch-and-gos?  You can get a lot more bang for your buck if you do touch and go patterns...  

I was soloing on a Sunday, and a Santa Monica Municipal, Touch & Gos are prohibited during the weekend or after hours during the week.
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« Reply #184 on: February 04, 2005, 01:28:24 AM »
So, I went flying today again, my last flight before a two week trip up north to be with the family again.

We took off and got in the air over the Pacific and my instructor had my tune in a VOR navigation beacon northeast of Santa Monica.  I switched NAV2 over to Voice and listened for the morsecode identifier.  After a few seconds, it started up and dotted and dashed.  I tuned it in and got the needle aligned up just like my instructor taught me on the ground yesterday, and my instructor had me fly towards it.  

As we crossed into the valley, my instructor had me tune in the VOR beacon for Camarillo and fly towards it, and got lined up succesfully.  It was very rewarding learning this new instrument, now I'll be able to find where I am without relying on them fancy shmancy new GPS units.

We turned around and tracked towards Van Nuys for 10 minutes, enough for me to need to enter a cross-wind correction to stay on course, that went well.

As I was flying the course, my instructor reached over suddenly and pulled the throttle back all the way.  "You've just lost your engine."

I immediately trimmed the plane for 73 knots and began looking for a field to set the plane down.  I set up a slow turn and began working my way through my checklist.  At one point, I stopped my checklist and started looking outside again.  "I've got a lot of altitude, so I have time to look for a place to set down.  Don't want to put it down on a road unless I have to."  My instructor nodded his head and agreed.  I picked a field and began setting up for it, then continued my checklist.  I simulated my emergency call, etc, and as I was on final to the field, he throttled us back up and I climbed back up to cross the mountains to Malibu.

He had me put on the hood so I couldn't see out the plane, then told me to close my eyes and start spelling words outloud as he threw the plane around the sky.  He did rolls to either side, sharp turns, put it into a sharp climb and steep dives, then finally put the plane on a dive and at an angle and told me to open my eyes and recover using intsruments alone.

I chopped the throttle, leveled the wings, and pulled out of the dive.  He did this a few more times, leaving me at different angles and I got out quickly each time.

Then he had me line up with the Santa Monica VOR beacon and fly towards it.  I got clearance, entered the pattern, and began my approach.  The instructor took over for the landing so he could demonstrate a short field landing.  He brought in, right above stall, and set it down with almost no float and said that's how I should do it.

I take off using the short field takeoff steps (full throttle, release the brakes, two notches flaps, etc) and do a pattern around the airport.  As I'm on the downwind leg, I hear the tower trying to get ahold of a jet.  "Jet 123, where are you?"  He calls.  After a few seconds, he repeats.  My instructor and I start looking around kinda worried.  Is there a jet nearby that's not talking to anyone?  Finally, the jet calls in, and it turns out that it's taxiing up to the runway.  I'm on base when the tower tells the jet to take off immediately.  He isn't even on the runway yet as I'm turning to final, and I say to my instructor "This isn't going to work."  The jet turns onto the runway ahead of me, but it's still not moving.  I start doing S-turns to slow my approach even more, but the jet just isn't boogeying.

Finally, just as I'm getting ready to abort, the tower calls me and tells me to climb back to pattern altitude, so I hit full throttle, turn to the side, set my climb angle, then get rid of my flaps.  As my instructor puts it, 'Cram, climb, then clean.'

The jet finally takes off and the tower has me do a 360 and come in for landing again.  I do a couple of short field landings, then taxi back to put the plane away.

A good flight, but I know I'm gonna be jonesing while I'm in Oregon.  Two weeks without flying is like an hour of not breathing.
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« Reply #185 on: February 22, 2005, 02:44:40 AM »
I took another two week hiatus from flying to be with my family in Oregon.  I'm running out of time to get my ticket in LA without having to re-do a bunch of stuff to learn how to speak 'Cessna' (the plane I'm flying in a very different from the Cessna's in Oregon), so my schedule is going to be pretty aggressive now.

Today was a holiday, so I scheduled a bunch of flying.  I had an 8-10 lesson with my instructor planned, a solo from 11-12, another solo from 1PM to 2PM, and a night flight at 6.  I get in late last night, and fall asleep around 2 in the morning.  I wake up a minute before my 7AM alarm (which is my cell phone, sitting on a cardboard box next to the couch I'm sleeping on) goes off.  My head is pounding, my eyes are bleary from lack of sleep, and I keep hearing this rhythmic splatter noise.  As I come full awake, the alarm goes off, vibrating my phone off the box and onto the floor.  I scramble through the detritus to shut it off before it wakes the friend who's letting me live in his livingroom when I realize the odd noise from outside is heavy rain.

I look out the window just as I hear a peal of thunder in the distance, and I begin to suspect that my flying plans are somewhat in doubt.

I roll into the flight school and, with a cup of $1.09 candy coffee in one hand and my newly stocked flight bag (inventory below) in the other, casually stroll up to the classroom.  At least, as casually as a man with his jacket covering his head from the torrential downpour of a southern storm can be.  Maybe I can finagle some way to fly the pattern, I'm thinking.  I passingly entertain the idea that my instructor doesn't realize what the sky looks like, and I briefly entertain the fantasy that he'll just say 'Go ahead and fly some pattern work around the airport' because he thinks its just rain.  After all, that thunder could be miles away!

"Hi Ben!"  I turn around, and the idle fantasy is dashed (much like my plane would have been against the Santa Monica mountains if I had really flown into the towering cumulonimbus clouds, but it was a momentary musing, never a real plan) as I see my instructor running up behind me with some vending machine coffee from the pilots lounge.  The free trip planning computer up there never seems to work for me, but I hear that the pay vending machines are eerily reliable.  No matter, the jig is up.

"Howdy!  I was thinking we should get started on that instrument rating, ready to fly?"  It's a weak shot, but I'll take what I can get.  Sadly, he laughs at the joke and directs me to the classroom.

We did an hour of review and went over some aerodynamics stuff that helped me grasp some subtleties of doing slips.  I've always been worried about inducing a cross-controlled stall/spin (think Goose in Top Gun) when slipping, as the control inputs for both are identical.  When my instructor talks about the some sideeffects of stalls, it suddenly clicks in my head that the control inputs ARE identical, the real difference is the AIRSPEED when you do them.  If you're slow and do it, bam, you could fall out of the sky (for at least a few seconds).  If you do it with 80knots in the Piper Cherokee I fly, though, it's nothing.  Sure, you still fall out of the sky, but it's in short, controlled bursts of coordinated falling where you're pointed at the runway the whole time.  Airliners do it all the time, right?  So I tell myself not to worry.

Afterwards, I head out.  I spend some time buzzing around town running various errands.  I Xerox part of one of my air charts so that I can see a whole route I plan on flying on one page instead of half of it being on the other side of the chart, go get some lunch at the Souplantation (Generic clam chowder, when 'augmented' with several ounces of bacon bits and half a cup of shredded cheddar with a serious pour of Tobasco sauce, becomes a whole new animal.  If you're from maine, please don't kill me.)

I somehow find myself in Van Nuys at the pilot supply store SunVal and marvel at their high priced stock of aviation gear.  I think the cheapest part of flying I've found is the $5 stack of 'flight planning' sheets.  And even THOSE are disposable, so it hardly counts.  I grab a nicely printed copy of the poem 'High Flight':

"High Flight"

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.


I'm not much for potree, but this one touched me, especially the first time I heard it back in 1986 when President Reagan quoted it in his memorial to the brave crew of the Challenger.

As each hour passed, I grew more and more anxious.  Like someone needing a 'fix', I kept watching the skies above Los Angeles.  Around one in the afternoon, the sun starts peeking out over my area.  I quickly call the weather robot at Santa Monica and it tells me that the conditions have improved enough to go flying.  Chortling, I call my instructor and ask if he wants to fly.  Cheese it, he's got a student until three!  I see storm clouds in the distance, and I know weather can move in any time, but I tell him I'll be there and cross my fingers.

I head out to Santa Monica and go up to the Pilot's Lounge.  I'm anxious to try out my new eBay acquisition, a nice pair of David Clark HL10-40 pilot headset.  It's green, looks like it was made out of bakelite in WWII, and has a kickin' articulated steel microphone boom that can double as a weapon in close quarters combat.  That, and it's the same model I've been borrowing for training, so I know I'll like 'em.  Turns out the planning computer is busted (they should have installed our software) and the headphone jack doesn't fit, so I sit down and start chatting with another pilot who's hanging out.  After a few minutes, my cell rings, and it's my intstructor telling me that his two o'clock "just cancelled and would I be interes-"

BAM!  I'm already out the door running to the plane.  

I get there and start preflighting it, and he shows up just as I finish.  I'm standing there right before he arrives, feeling the wind, and call the weather robot again.  He had told me that the wind was 7 knots earlier, but it feels somewhat stronger.  This time, he tells me that the winds are now only 5 knots, but I suspect this to be inaccurate when I notice the palm trees bent over at a 45 degree angle.  That, and the occasional rock that blows across the pavement in front of me gives me pause, but my instructor shrugs and says we should trust the weather guys and make our call by the runway, because maybe it's not so bad up there.

Sure enough, as we pull up to the runway, I notice the 15 knot windsock is almost sticking straight out, but it's directly down the runway with no crosswind, so...  we call ATIS and get a new report of 13-14 knot winds, but no mention of windshear or gusts, so we get clearance and take off.  At this point, I'm overjoyed to find that my headset is working perfectly.  The control tower is getting ever syllable of my confident Chuck Yeager-like radio voice, and I can hear them clearly.

After this, it's pretty much normal flying.  I take off (like a helicopter, those headwinds really shorten your ground roll) and do some work in the pattern to get de-rusted after my extended absence from the controls.  Everything is clicking, I'm doing everything right, and I make four take offs and landings before we put the plane away.

At six, I show up again and we go for a night flight.  We stay in the pattern because there are some menacing clouds staring at us around the airport, and we don't want to be trapped elsewhere if they roll in and eat the airport.

My instructor throws various emergencies at me, including flap failure (landing without flaps is FAST), landing light failure (landing in the dark without headlights is DARK) and an "Oh no, there's a fuel truck on the runway!" right as I flare about 5 feet above the ground.  I cram the throttle, set a climb attitude, then clean up the aircraft by carefully getting rid of flaps one notch at a time.  My instructor shakes his fist in the air and tells me I got it perfect and he's really happy to see my reactions to the various emergencies.

I might not have gotten the 5 hours of flying I was hoping for, but the 1.4 hours I DID get were a lot better then sitting on a guest couch with a laptop, wasting a holiday.

I have 8-10AM flights all week plus any lunchtime flying I can cram in, so hopefully I'll be close to 40 hours by Friday the 4th when I head back up to spend some time with my family.  I can't wait until my new job gets going (theoretically, at the end of March) but I'm also sorta hoping I can get my Private Pilot Certificate before the move, so...  it's hard, I'm betwixt.

I'll try to keep some of my other updates this week shorter, I couldn't stop these fingers from typing tonight as I'm still all hopped up of flying.  Being out of the cockpit is like going cold turkey on coffee.  You don't like it much, but when you come back, it hits you twice as hard as usual.

I'll take mine with sugar and avgas.
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« Reply #186 on: February 22, 2005, 05:09:16 AM »
Chairboy,

Are you studying for PPL theory tickets at the moment or do you already have those?



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« Reply #187 on: February 22, 2005, 08:10:21 AM »
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...I've got sort of a tendency to fly to the runway and set down without hearing the stall horn, and my instructor really wants me to work on slowing to stall speed as I touch down.

Ermmm...couldn't be those hot landings in the MA influencing ya, could it? heheheh  lol...I can see ya now, checking yer 6 makin sure there's no nmy about to sneak up on ya as ya land yer kills.

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« Reply #188 on: February 22, 2005, 09:10:57 AM »
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Chairboy,

Are you studying for PPL theory tickets at the moment or do you already have those?



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I don't understand the question, please rephrase?
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« Reply #189 on: February 22, 2005, 01:04:21 PM »
^ I think he's talking about the written test.

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« Reply #190 on: February 22, 2005, 01:12:34 PM »
oooh...  no, I'm not doing any prep work for that yet.  I think I'd better start soon.
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« Reply #191 on: February 22, 2005, 02:29:37 PM »
I'm a CFII with over 4000 hours and type ratings in 727'2 A300  & G5

The best advice I ever received in learning to fly was not to do it one week at a time over the course of a year or two, but to get it done and over with, at least the private part as fast as I could afford.   I saved up my money, took off work for 4 weeks went to florida and got my private in 24 days.  that was in 1970 and a high priced CFI back then  was $5.00 an hour, the C150 was $25 an hour wet, if I remember correctly.  

Enjoy your flying, but don't, what ever you do, don't become a CFI.  Become a ski instructor.  

I"ve done both.  As a CFI I have mantained my skills and fly with the FAA every two years to renew my CFII.  I take and pass a first class medical every six months.  I work at a flight school on weekends, I might fly with 4 to 5 students between 7:00AM and 9:00PM and receive $22.00 an hour for every hour of instruction I give, I don't get to pick who I fly with and if I"m lucky I get to eat lunch and dinner at the airport Dinner. Having a beer over the weekend, just can't be done.  My flight instructor insurance is $3000.00 a year.

  As a Ski instructor.  My day is between 9:00AM and 3:PM  I work with two groups of students durning the day,  Many of them guest of the Hotel/resort, many of them young ladies in sexy ski outfits.  I do a morning class of two hours and an after noon class of three hours, a total of 5 hours of instruction and  Skiing, I receive $135.00 per hour.  I stay at the hotel/resort for free and eat for free.  My insurance as a ski instructor is $75.00 per year.  There is no government agency watching over me.  No medical required.  Drinking starts around noon.
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« Reply #192 on: February 22, 2005, 02:40:00 PM »
I'm still interested in getting my CFI.  I don't drink, I love flying, and I'd probably do it part time.  Also, I don't know how to ski, and I think that might affect my ability to teach it.

:D

The instructors in LA make $40-45 an hour, in Eugene they make $30 an hour.   I don't think I'd ever get rich as a CFI, but returning the gift of flight would sure be rewarding.
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« Reply #193 on: February 22, 2005, 02:59:57 PM »
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oooh...  no, I'm not doing any prep work for that yet.  I think I'd better start soon.


Well it's just my two cents and from experience I would be studying flat out and ideally you need to have your passes in all theory before you reach halfway in your hours. Last thing you wan't is to get held up because you haven't got all your tickets and I've seen that happen alot to dumbarses.

Also if you've got time to write stories on the net then spend that extra time studying and go for the higher level classes and passes like ATPL or at a minimum  CPL in all the core subjects, especially if later down the track you have plans to go commerical. Don't waste your time with PPL subjects now or CPL if your planning on flying passengers commerically at a later date you need to do ATPL.  I did ATPL and glad I did, there is nothing to stop you from studying ATPL exams while doing your PPL licence.

PPL theory is ok if all your ever going to do is circuits and take mum or dad on a city scenic, but if you have any intentions at all in going further with your flying do the higher level exams and pass them well.

If you've told your instructor that you wan't to do CPL and he has told you to do PPL theory and then do CPL theory, dump him and get a new instructor. There's no reason at all to waste your time and money now on PPL exams if your going commercial other then they make twice their money out of you in course fees.

Plus if your looking at flying turbine aircraft of some sort start studying BGT (Basic Gas Turbine) make friends with the workshops at the local airfield and get them to show you a few engines,workings and startups.

The time will go quickly get the theory done and out of the way asap. Leaving you to concentrate on the flying and studying more advanced subjects.

By the way what medical class do you have? It costs more but before you start flying it's best to get a Class 1 that way you won't risk the bombshell later on when you wan't to go commerical in that you only have Class 2 level fitness. I know a guy who did all his CPL flying and theory only to fail the Class 1 medical.


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« Reply #194 on: February 22, 2005, 03:11:50 PM »
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The instructors in LA make $40-45 an hour, in Eugene they make $30 an hour.   I don't think I'd ever get rich as a CFI, but returning the gift of flight would sure be rewarding.


LOL

I don't know a single instructor who's doing it for "returning the gift of flying" romantic but total rubbish. They all do it  for one reason only, gaining hours. I don't know of any instructors who do it as a career goal. The problem they all have is lack of dual and turbine time. That's the hardest thing of all to get. Time in single engine trainers means very little, you need dual engine,turbine time for fixed wing and lots of it PnC before a operator will even look at you.

Plus the guys that are still instructing at 30, that's probably all they'll ever do, if your not in with a commerical operator by that age then it's highly unlikely you ever will be.

Of course if your doing helicopters that's totally different.


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