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« Reply #285 on: January 17, 2005, 11:18:21 PM »
Shrubnuts ... you're either an elaborate troll or a total moron or both.

Either way, you aren't worth my time; and you aren't worthy of anyone else's trust or attention.

You can dance around with the lame Intardnet 101 BBS tactics, but rest assured they fool no one. Most of the experienced folks have run across your kind before - and in the end you usually "win" the argument - but only because anyone with a brain quickly tires of your repetitious "I know you are, but what am I" level of response and moves on to other things.

Just always remember, if you didn't suck at the game you could hunt alone. And if you didn't really suck at the game you wouldn't need 40 planes to take a field.

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« Reply #286 on: January 18, 2005, 07:20:03 AM »
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Just always remember, if you didn't suck at the game you could hunt alone. And if you didn't really suck at the game you wouldn't need 40 planes to take a field.


Aaahh, Dok...that need not be true. I hunt alone and I suck. :)
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« Reply #287 on: January 18, 2005, 07:21:37 AM »
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I really want this question answered Shubie


Sorry, Stang.  I missed those posts earlier, and I do want to respond.

We (the BoPs and our friends) ALWAYS come back.  There is a time limit--if it takes an hour and the base is still in enemy hands, we will probably point the attack in another direction.  That doesn't usually happen, unless we go after a base that is tactically unsound--too far, no supporting friendly bases, or the enemy stops our attack in its tracks by killing all troops for 100 miles in every direction.

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« Reply #288 on: January 18, 2005, 07:25:34 AM »
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You responses are predictable, boring, and hackneyed.  


  :D  Go easy on that hackneyed stuff, would ya?
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« Reply #289 on: January 18, 2005, 08:16:28 AM »
This whole thread is being argued because a guy knows that even with 40/1 odds in his favor... if he joins the conga line for the kill....  there is a far better chance than even that he will still die instead of getting the kill....  no one will be able to rescue him in time.

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« Reply #290 on: January 18, 2005, 09:04:26 AM »
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Saw two Birds of Prey squads in the top 100 squad ranks.  Didn't see you in either.  Who's your CO so I can look up your squad?

One of the oldest squads in sims?? Really?  I mean, MY squad is only 10yrs old (ish), and I know groups like the Damned are in many diff sims, but what is the origin of YOUR squad, and what's it current name, and prior name, so I can see/understand what you are talking about.

Are you considered one of the "good" pilots in your squad?  (i.e. one of the older members, top killer, etc)  Who is IN that squad that I would know from, say 4+yrs ago.  

It's JUST about 8pm eastern, and I might just have to go up and check y'all out.

(edit) I see you have flown AH for 2yrs ish now.  Grab me some time so I can give you some training.  After 2yrs you SHOULD be able to get at least a 1 to 1 k/d ratio in this sim.  I'll be happy to help ya' out.


Actually, I am the CO.  And sincerely thanks for the training offer.  If I ever decide that I want to work seriously on my fighter skills, I will get with monti or Spork42 or Thrila, all squadmates.  Or I could ask matrix or kite777 or...

The thing is, it is hard to coordinate an attack while furballing.  When in the battle, your SA has to be all about who has angles on who, your situation, your energy--hell, you know what I am talking about.  I spend most of my online time planning, coordinating, and executing attacks.  My SA is about what bases have what resources, where the threat is coming from, where the goons are, who is doing what, etc.  I don't know about you, but I can't do both at once.
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« Reply #291 on: January 18, 2005, 04:14:20 PM »
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If I ever decide that I want to work seriously on my fighter skills, I will get with monti or Spork42 or Thrila, all squadmates.  Or I could ask matrix or kite777 or...


no offence, and i'm NOT trying to flame, or hurt anybodys feelings, but your joking right??????

If not to you, and G/L w/ everything.

Also, back to my prior question re. your squad(s), WHICH Birds of Prey is the original?  I saw like 4-5 diff BOP's (yeah, finally put THAT together, i 'member bop's) are the ORIGINAL?
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« Reply #292 on: January 18, 2005, 06:52:25 PM »
There's nothing wrong with my flying, wmlute.

The Bops is a fantastic squad filled with many great guys, i couldn't wish for a better one.  There is very little command structure and few rules, which suits me fine.  Our primary goal is to have fun whether it's missions, taking bases, gv-ing or furballing.  We have a wide range of guys with different passions for the game.  I personally have little interest in missions or "the war", so it's rare that i'll be in a capture mission and no-one on the squad minds i don't join them.  I will however join missions on squad night and it's worth it just to hear everyone chat and joke on vox.  

We can all find enjoyment in the game just in different forms.
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« Reply #293 on: January 18, 2005, 06:59:53 PM »
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no offence, and i'm NOT trying to flame, or hurt anybodys feelings, but your joking right??????

If not to you, and G/L w/ everything.

Also, back to my prior question re. your squad(s), WHICH Birds of Prey is the original?  I saw like 4-5 diff BOP's (yeah, finally put THAT together, i 'member bop's) are the ORIGINAL?


We're ALL the original.  About a year ago, we got large, and split the squad up into 4.  The assignment of pilots was pretty random.  At the time, we thought we were setting up as specialist subgroups, but that didn't happen--we all still do pretty much anything we want to.  And we really don't pay much attention to which BoP wing we're in.

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« Reply #294 on: January 18, 2005, 07:54:29 PM »
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There's nothing wrong with my flying, wmlute.

The Bops is a fantastic squad filled with many great guys, i couldn't wish for a better one.  There is very little command structure and few rules, which suits me fine.  Our primary goal is to have fun whether it's missions, taking bases, gv-ing or furballing.  We have a wide range of guys with different passions for the game.  I personally have little interest in missions or "the war", so it's rare that i'll be in a capture mission and no-one on the squad minds i don't join them.  I will however join missions on squad night and it's worth it just to hear everyone chat and joke on vox.  

We can all find enjoyment in the game just in different forms.


agreed Bop's got a good history.  I had not realized (duh on my part) at 1st y'all were BOP's.  

also agreed that nutin' wrong w/ your flying.  It's more that none of the names given imho, have all THAT much to teach.  Again, just an opinion, not a flame, just was an odd group he listed.  You for one, have less time logged as a "fighter" in the past 6months, than say I do this tour so far.  I understand the whole "save my k/d, fly in attack mode" score potato bit (something I really don't do.  I attain my rank each month just doing what I always do.  RARELY do I TRY to get a low rank, just happens), but even factoring your attack mode flight time, you have not logged alot of hours in the air as a pure fighter.  So was confused about just how much 1 on 1 knowledge you have to give.  Again, not starting a fight, just an opinion.  Just thought it an odd bunch he listed.  I for one, would suggest an actual "trainer", like Widewing, or Ghosth, (or any of 'em.  good bunch).
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« Reply #295 on: January 18, 2005, 11:26:40 PM »
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(btw, usin' a guy w/ an avg k/d ratio of under 1 as an example of the type you wish to have oppose you isn't saying all THAT much)


LOL, I averaged better than 1.5 to 2-1 most months through 2003 (last year and particularly last few months a bit frustrating and lacking in fun and interest). [Edit LOL again. I just checked my own stats for the "bad" past months and they are actually better than I had though, at least 1-1 or a little better.] All the while flying:

Solo or with 1 wingman

lowest numbers country ea night I up

few if any vulch kills (base or carrier defense)

usually go to worse than 1-1 odds, usually much worse and usually, at least lately, lower E than the red cloud

no alt monkey cherry picks (perfectly valid BTW, but don't have the patience) no running from anything 1-1 or usually 2/3-1. Fought and lost to a p-38 I could have run away from (and was pulling away from) the night of the mission. On the deck in a dora, 75 percent fuel loaded, hadn't flown the dora in literally a year or so. But, thought what the hell, lets see if I can force an overshoot in the scissors. Not a smart fight, or one likely to help the k/d, but then only a puss or scorepotato would run 1 on 1.

No Osti base defense missions, no spawns or rank play or other padding

[edited for I don't care anymore]

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« Reply #296 on: January 19, 2005, 12:29:21 AM »
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If I ever decide that I want to work seriously on my fighter skills, I will get with monti or Spork42 or Thrila, all squadmates.  Or I could ask matrix or kite777 or...


LOL dont ask Kite, he'll just teach you to run away from anything no matter what unless you have a huge advantage.

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« Reply #297 on: January 19, 2005, 01:43:37 AM »
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also agreed that nutin' wrong w/ your flying.  It's more that none of the names given imho, have all THAT much to teach.  Again, just an opinion, not a flame, just was an odd group he listed.  You for one, have less time logged as a "fighter" in the past 6months, than say I do this tour so far.  I understand the whole "save my k/d, fly in attack mode" score potato bit (something I really don't do.  I attain my rank each month just doing what I always do.  RARELY do I TRY to get a low rank, just happens), but even factoring your attack mode flight time, you have not logged alot of hours in the air as a pure fighter.  So was confused about just how much 1 on 1 knowledge you have to give.  Again, not starting a fight, just an opinion.  Just thought it an odd bunch he listed.  I for one, would suggest an actual "trainer", like Widewing, or Ghosth, (or any of 'em.  good bunch).


Well it's shame you don't know me, i can handle myself in the MA very well.  I'm not a stats person, i don't fly to have good stats or rank.  Though it is interesting you bring them up, seeing as i have a better fighter rank than you it's odd you're trying to use it against me.  I have plenty of past tours with very impressive stats if that's what you're looking for.  I could easily get a k/d of 10, k/s 2 and k/t of 8+ all it takes is to fly in a particular style.  I'm not sure how attack more equates to me having little ACM knowledge, perhaps you can explain that for me.  It's rare for me to carry bombs, i fly in attack simply because the plane was left in attack.

I'm currently adapting to using rudder pedals so i'm flying into very poor odds, very often to get as much experience  in the shortest space of time.  I wont get more than 2 or 3 kills before dying, but then that would be expected in the odds i'm facing.   Good stats or rank will not impress me, they can be easily manipulated.  The most important thing is how you get your kills.
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« Reply #298 on: January 19, 2005, 02:48:40 PM »
You know, I now realize I’ve been terribly insensitive to Lute. What first appeared as a handful of posts serving as thinly disguised call for attention and forced respect, was actually a call for help. After looking at his rank and stats (see, I know where you were going with your posts, buddy), I can see the turmoil that must exist for him and the other rank masters. Lute, in his humility, avoids credit for his accomplishments, passing them off as some byproduct of his natural gameplay. But, as the great rank player Voss (perhaps rank’s greatest icon) once noted in a detailed thread, there is actually a lot of work required to rank high consistently month after month. Spawn points to be camped, vulch runs to be made, fights to be accepted or avoided depending on the situation, undefended strats to be bombed from time to time -- a serious amount of thought and effort. And then there is the time, lots and lots of time -- 80 to 90 hours a month devoted to the effort in Lute’s case.

And what does HTC do to reward those rank-focused players, to let us all know who are the rankest of the rank? Not much. Why, large portions of the player base likely don’t even know who Lute is, or the effort he has put forth to be the best of the best. It’s sad to say, and I’m a bit ashamed that many, myself included, never even cared! It must be galling to put in as much time and effort each month as you would to get an undergraduate degree, an MBA or a law degree (part time) and not receive the recognition that you feel is justly deserved. To have to resort to demeaning “look at me, check my scores” BBS posts while lesser men like Drex, Fester, DMF and even that obnoxious Shane get accolades heaped on them by others out of the blue. And for what? They seldom land a kill, never jump in a GV and most seem to end up with a k/d in the 2-1 range. Even a hack like me can do that (with a lot more effort and lower k/t of course…)

So, on behalf of this overlooked core of the community, the AH salt of the earth, I will step forward and say what they are too humble to say. HTC, give these individuals the attention they so desperately crave! I suggest a splash screen when you log into the MA, like the survey pop up only far more grand. It would list the highest ranking players and the highest ranking squads. Maybe each could provide a short bio for those interested (though watch out for those calming to fly for the CIA!). Perhaps the close button would read something, like “Salute, my AH Heroes!” I may be pushing it, but you could even add a special button by each of their names to send them a personal greeting, a “You da Man” kind of thing that would appear in their mailboxes each day like a flood of so many e-birthday cards.

Wow, I feel spent.

Charon
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« Reply #299 on: January 19, 2005, 02:59:01 PM »
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You know, I now realize I’ve been terribly insensitive to Lute. What first appeared as a handful of posts serving as thinly disguised call for attention and forced respect, was actually a call for help. After looking at his rank and stats (see, I know where you were going with your posts, buddy), I can see the turmoil that must exist for him and the other rank masters. Lute, in his humility, avoids credit for his accomplishments, passing them off as some byproduct of his natural gameplay. But, as the great rank player Voss (perhaps rank’s greatest icon) once noted in a detailed thread, there is actually a lot of work required to rank high consistently month after month. Spawn points to be camped, vulch runs to be made, fights to be accepted or avoided depending on the situation, undefended strats to be bombed from time to time -- a serious amount of thought and effort. And then there is the time, lots and lots of time -- 80 to 90 hours a month devoted to the effort in Lute’s case.

And what does HTC do to reward those rank-focused players, to let us all know who are the rankest of the rank? Not much. Why, large portions of the player base likely don’t even know who Lute is, or the effort he has put forth to be the best of the best. It’s sad to say, and I’m a bit ashamed, that many, myself included, never even cared! It must be galling to put in as much time and effort each month as you would to get an undergraduate degree, an MBA or a law degree (part time) and not receive the recognition that you feel is justly deserved. To have to resort to demeaning “look at me, check my scores” BBS posts while lesser men like Drex, Fester, DMF and even that obnoxious Shane get accolades heaped on them by others out of the blue. And for what? They seldom land a kill, never jump in a GV and most seem to end up with a k/d in the 2-1 range. Even a hack like me can do that (with a lot more effort and lower k/t of course…)

So, on behalf of this overlooked core of the community, the AH salt of the earth, I will step forward and say what they are too humble to say. HTC, give these individuals the attention they so desperately crave! I suggest a splash screen when you log into the MA, like the survey pop up only far more grand. It would list the highest ranking players and the highest ranking squads. Maybe each could provide a short bio for those interested (though watch out for those calming to fly for the CIA!). Perhaps the close button would read something, like “Salute, my AH Heroes!” I may be pushing it, but you could even add a special button by each of their names to send them a personal greeting, a “You da Man” kind of thing that would appear in their mailboxes each day like a flood of so many e-birthday cards.

Wow, I feel spent.

Charon



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