The Forming of Something Great....

[rshubert]

Originally posted by mars01
but to say and believe something like ...  is kind of rediculous.  


 

Whatever could be ridiculous about it?  Does the truth hurt that much?

Hey, man, the plan worked for two reasons.  First, it was tactically sound.  Second, YOU HAD NO PLAN.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by mars01
but to say and believe something like ...  is kind of rediculous.  


 

Whatever could be ridiculous about it?  Does the truth hurt that much?

Hey, man, the plan worked for two reasons.  First, it was tactically sound.  Second, YOU HAD NO PLAN.

[mars01]

The numbers weren't taht large, mars. We had 41 in the mission. Divided up into 24 or so Nikis, 3 goons, and the rest heavies.

Comfort yourself with the delusion that planning has no effect on the outcome. It makes it easier for me to roll you, like we did last night. Charon states that he felt overwhelmed. He was supposed to feel that way.

Let's look at this like another popular game...say, soccer (football for you guys on the other side of the pond).

Your style is every player kicking the ball around, blocking people on the other team, and brawling in the center of the field. Our style is to plan plays, make a concerted move against you, and score goals through teamwork.

Which is more likely to produce a win?

Deluding myself hahaha.  Boy you are a Horde Boy if you think 41 is small.

You had 41 against 4 maybe 5.  WTG man, great plan, against such odds I am amazed you pulled it off.  Must be the planning.

Ummm - I could care less about you taking the bases last night.  What sucked was for all the climbing and flying the fighting was weak, fun if your a BnZ late war guy, but not fun if long extensions being chased by 6 guys is not your cup of tea.

I could care less about producing a win, I wanted to see some great fighting.  That didn't happen.  That is the difference between us.  You think there is something to win, I just want to fight!

Lets take a real game USA Football!  8 guys fighting it out like mad to get 3 guys over the line.  Now your talking fun.  Running around kicking a ball ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.  


Coffee is for closers!

[mars01]

Whatever could be ridiculous about it? Does the truth hurt that much?

Hey, man, the plan worked for two reasons. First, it was tactically sound. Second, YOU HAD NO PLAN.

It is rediculous that you can't see it.  So you go on believing you are some great tactician, dude no skin off my back.  If you really think 4 against 41 is some great matchup then carry on!

Crap the fact that it took you 15 mins to take a base with 30 guys tells me just the opposite.

Hell when I was in the MAW we would come into a base, drop the VH and City in 1 min and cap 2 mins later the base was ours.  On top of which the plan was as simple as 2 guys on VH, 3 guys on ack rest hit the city, once light cap.  Whooooo good thing 40 has his Doctorate.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by mars01

I could care less about producing a win, I wanted to see some great fighting.  That didn't happen.  That is the difference between us.  You think there is something to win, I just want to fight!

Well, if you're so fired up about getting into a fight against long odds with fighters...We offered you 24 nikis looking for blood.  Not enough?  Too high?  Too Low?  Not flying in a straight line while AFK?  

You had relic, swat501, badcarma, spork42, and 20 or so other dedicated a-a guys hoping you would come play.  Did you go after them, or go goon hunting?

The real deal seems to be a desire on your part to play airquake.  Up, fight, land or die.  

Thinking?  We don't need no steenking thinking!

[jamusta]

I agree with Charon. If we had half the force as shubie fight would have been much better. It was our fault that we couldn't muster up the numbers. After prime time was up the fight got better at a7. Maybe different type player after hours? Mars, yes shubie had numbers but he had a plan. Usually the horde doesnt have fighter cover like that. Most would have been heavy and therefore easier to kill. Either that or would have dropped their ord and wasted a jabo run.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by mars01
 If you really think 4 against 41 is some great matchup then carry on!

Well, I planned for 40-50 enemy.  I really thought you guys could pull it together.  I am genuinely depressed to see that you couldn't get enough cooperation from the rest of your quake-mates to actually put up a fight.  

You talked the talk, didn't you?  You couldn't walk the walk last night, and here you are back again, talking the talk, and trying to convince me that it didn't happen, or that it doesn't matter to you.   Methinks thou doth protest too much!

Where the rubber hits the road, you came up as...less than adequate.

[jamusta]

Lets not turn this into a flamming session please. Our goal is to get the strat guys and the furballers to co exist without avoiding each other. Shubie can you admit that it was more fun to meet resistance even though it was light. Was their satisfaction in taking 80 under pressure?

[bustr]

Mars,

The 56th often flys 5-8 vs. 15-20. We fly by pre arranged tactics and communications. We fly winged pairs or trios and target single cons 2 vs 1 to eliminate from the herd. We try to come in 20-22k which is common sense with P47's. But if we get cuaght low, we have tactics to deal and adhere to them. Most of the time we get all of our guys home. We stay in a group and look out for the group first. Numbers of kills second or third.

Last night after our squad time my wingman and I helped defend A2 which was being swamped. We were in P47D-25's 5k to the deck against spits, 190's, ponies, and Ta152's. About 12 enemy local at any time with incomming. We had help from about 4 at the feild. My wingman is new to AH, 2-3 months. So low and slow TB with spits is hard for him. He got killed once and reupped. To get him off the ground I flew straight and level at 3k away from him with a spit conga line on my kester. When he was up I reversed and pulled back to cover his tail. I don't remember alot about the next 5 to 8 minutes other than doing what it takes to clear his tail. We both landed in one peice. I did not remember shooting anything down but the HOST message said I killed 3.

I think if you give the time and effort to building a hoard busting squad it will work.

[dedalos]

It must have been a really good plan to be able to take a base in only 30 minutes with only 40 guys.  Trying to remeber if I can find the film for it but we have taken bases in 4 minutes after the field started flashing.  But we did not have a plan, we only had 9 guys, and buildings were furbaling somewhere else so they did not resist much.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by jamusta
Maybe I should swap sides again

It will not help.
You see.... the fact is the "Fighter Only" segment of players depend on the Building battlers of their very own country to provide the targets that they engage. Its is a co-existance that actually is the esence of AH. In fact it has been this way in every WWll type Combat sim i have ever played.

[mars01]

OK huebert, what talk did I talk that I could or did not walk?

The knights were a no show, oh I am so belittled and crushed hahaha lol. :rollseyes:

Me thinks you talk out of you Ahole lolh.  No me knows you talk out of your Ahole.

Quake mates, again anyone that compares any aspect of this game to quake doesn't know his Arse from a whole in the ground.

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Yeah bustr I get it, the Tas does much the same only below 8k.  I am no stranger to working with the guys I am flying with.  The whole reason I upped where I did last night was to fly wing with Dipstick because he was also taking a Jug ( also hes a great guy wing with )   Our mistake was not upping together with Jam and keeping the few guys we had together.

Honestly I am not going to leave the TAS to build join a horde busting squad.  I will join their missions tho.

[mars01]

You see.... the fact is the "Fighter Only" segment of players depend on the Building battlers of their very own country to provide the targets that they engage. Its is a co-existance that actually is the esence of AH. In fact it has been this way in every WWll type Combat sim i have ever played.

So what went on before there was strat and fields to bomb?

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by rshubert
That's not what we did last night, and you know it.  We made a plan, executed the plan, and took your lunch money (at base 80) in about 15 minutes.  No suicide dweebs, no attrition, no screwing around--we did it like it should be done.  And, you know, that's the way we usually do it.  The only added factors last night were the single 262 and the BARCAP.

You are seriously deluded.

I showed up a little after 6:30 PST. While I was trying to figure out why I had no plane skins after changing countries (like there should be a connection between the two?) and recal my joystick I start seeing reports of mass numbers of N1K's up in the ionosphere.

Hmmm ... curious. Both the plane choice (for a non-furballing Jabo unit) and the high altitude so close to the "start time."

I was still climbing out when 80 fell - so were a lot of other folks on the vox channel Charon told us to be on.

At which point it became clear that the rules of engagement as stated were a freakin' lie and the "win by any means necessary" axiom of The Horde was in play. It was also clear by looking at how many were on the Horde Busting vox that the numbers were just too lopsided to make this worth doing.

So I went off to hunt on my own. And then I ran into that cloud of Mosquitards which got shredded.


And if you capture bases "like it should be done" why does it take 40 freakin' planes to take one base. That ain't something I'd wanna brag about.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
You are seriously deluded.

I showed up a little after 6:30 PST. While I was trying to figure out why I had no plane skins after changing countries (like there should be a connection between the two?) and recal my joystick I start seeing reports of mass numbers of N1K's up in the ionosphere.

Hmmm ... curious. Both the plane choice (for a non-furballing Jabo unit) and the high altitude so close to the "start time."

I was still climbing out when 80 fell - so were a lot of other folks on the vox channel Charon told us to be on.

At which point it became clear that the rules of engagement as stated were a freakin' lie and the "win by any means necessary" axiom of The Horde was in play. It was also clear by looking at how many were on the Horde Busting vox that the numbers were just too lopsided to make this worth doing.

So I went off to hunt on my own. And then I ran into that cloud of Mosquitards which got shredded.


And if you capture bases "like it should be done" why does it take 40 freakin' planes to take one base. That ain't something I'd wanna brag about.

ooh, gonzie, that's quite a post.

First, you blame your inability to get just the "right" outfit on us.  Second, the rules of engagement were followed--you are the first to say any different.  We took off AFTER we announced our takeoff field, by about 3 minutes.  It took about 15 minutes, two goon launches to take the base, with a goon travel time of about 10 minutes.  If you were still climbing, you were either in orbit or flying a Stuka.  Next time don't take the 1800KG bomb, it affects climb performance.

The Nikis?  Why not?  It is one of the most overused planes in the game, with them there 4 x 20 mm cannons.  Great escort bird.  We also took some Hurri 2s.

Then you decide that it's all just not worth it, and go off on your own.  That's the center of the thing, dweebette.  Many (but not all) of you experten won't engage unless you see something in it for you.  Totally selfish, totally self-centered, completely unwilling to cooperate to acheive a goal.

That's what beats you--it's not the numbers, really.  IT IS THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE A GOAL.  Learn from some of your fellows, and take it like a man.  Quit sniveling.  It's unbecoming.