The Forming of Something Great....

[rshubert]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
You are the biggest pile of idiocy I've encountered in a long, long while. And that's saying something, given some of the bananas who've crossed these halls.

You are a nasty little girl, aren't you?  That was really childish, venal and obviously incorrect.  You have acheived a new high in internet flamework.  In honor of Beet1e, we'll call it a "Wall of Slander".

 Here are the EXACT words of the rules of engagement, as posted:

We'll be flying bish, and will let YOU know where we will attack from just prior to launch--or whenever the spies (not you, don't get me wrong...) see the mission posted. Target is our choice, as I see it. Is that agreeable? Your tactics, start base, and numbers are your call, and I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. It will make it more interesting, that way.



shubie

That was posted by me, discussed, and agreed to by Charon.  We did exactly that--I informed Charon 2 or 3 minutes before takeoff what base we would take off from.  We took off from that base.  Yes, I chose a base that could attack several other bases--but that is the nature of FesterMA, the bases are all on top of each other.  Nit vox worked, and you sure could see where we were going by tracking the darbar.  That's the long, red line on your map, btw.  I know you don't use the map much, since you never get too far from the ack over your own field.

I "set up an expectation"?  How's that?  Charon asked for no information about our attack's structure, tactics, or altitude.  I certainly offered none.

The rest of your post is just uninspired attack text.  Again, you couldn't whup us in the air, so you gotta try to whup us on the BB.  It's kinda sad, man.  You apparently are having trouble accepting a defeat.  Try to learn from Lazs, who takes the defeat in a psychically acceptable manner by asserting that the results are not important.

Really, they aren't.  It's just a game, man.  Not worth making a fool of yourself like you are.

[nopoop]

I purchased a  reproduction M40 uniform today from Ebay. Heer Panzer Feldwebel shoulder boards with collar tress, with an EK 2 button hole ribbon. Taylored to fit a 6'5"/46 long cheep beer drinker..

Enlisted Crusher cap later in the week.

I'M JACKED !!!

..."might" have to start flyin leather again..

Continue..

[-ammo-]

Man I miss AH!:(   This thread makes my mind think back a ways.  I need a P-47 fix.  Maybe if I sell some of my school books I can get some gear and a new vid card:)

[anton]

I miss what it used to be. But thats long long gone now (Mettalica sings "Sad but True" in background).

Anton

[mars01]

Holy crap six friggn pagres, Burn Baby Burn...   LOLH

It doesnt matter what went on before. Its what the game is now.

Well you made it sound like without the strat furballing doesn't exist.  But I guess you are not saying that.

Is it me or does huebert remind me of a certain bug that used to post in this board a little while ago?????  LOLH...   He definately reminds me of a certain Volks Wagon.

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Charon
The hord doesn't like to be opposed, and will run to avoid serious contact even to a new front if needed.
 

Understatement of the year! I have seen as few as 6 pilots thwart well over 30 who were gang-capturing a base.  All it takes is a handfull of opposition and the skytrain-horde of building-battlers goes elsewhere to attack other undefended targets.

In other words, it doesn't take an entire horde to beat back the horde. Jamusta just needs a few skilled sticks to show up and frighten the lemmings into moving elsewhere. Then the anti-horders will follow them to their new location. Once the horders see the pattern, they will attack the other country. Case closed

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Clifra Jones
There is more to Air Compat than just dogfighting.

Sacrilege! You must now take the pennance of a blasphemer, I sentence you to an entire tour in a TBM!

LOL/JK

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Edbert
Understatement of the year! I have seen as few as 6 pilots thwart well over 30 who were gang-capturing a base.  All it takes is a handfull of opposition and the skytrain-horde of building-battlers goes elsewhere to attack other undefended targets.

In other words, it doesn't take an entire horde to beat back the horde. Jamusta just needs a few skilled sticks to show up and frighten the lemmings into moving elsewhere. Then the anti-horders will follow them to their new location. Once the horders see the pattern, they will attack the other country. Case closed

That may happen sometimes, but not when my bunch is doing it.  We were opposed last Thursday, and usually are opposed on every mission.  There were somewhere between 4 and 10 opposing fighters on Thursday, and we pushed them back and got the base anyway.

Try not to generalize, it doesn't always happen one way.

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by rshubert
That's not what we did last night, and you know it.  We made a plan, executed the plan, and took your lunch money (at base 80) in about 15 minutes.  No suicide dweebs, no attrition, no screwing around--we did it like it should be done.  And, you know, that's the way we usually do it.  The only added factors last night were the single 262 and the BARCAP.

Congrats on winning the...whatever it was.

But don't you see that what you did was a misshun not a horde? Organized offense/defense will usually defeat unorganized offense/defense. Larger forces will usually defeat smaller forces. Getting guys into assigned planes with assigned targets and flightplans is the antithesis of the horde IMHO.

[lazs2]

shubie... you are simply not very observant... gameplay is dictated by the way the maps are set up and numbers.   The skilless players in your horde can only function with huge maps and far apart fields.  

If the fields are 3/4  of a sectror apart then that is where the action will be and gameplay won't favor the horde.. it will favor the furballer and and you will be the one complaining that the game is nothing but "mindless furballing".   I have seen it before..

the only reason that the hordes exist is because HT has set things up so that it looks like people are playing with you.

With a bunch of fields all close together the furball will just move when you guys manage to suicide into the toolsheds.  You will delude yourself into thinking you stopped the "front" when all you did was move the furball to a place with resources.

to put it more simply so that you can understand...

Furballers are incapable of acting in anything but an independent manner but.... you horde warriors are just as limmited... more so..  you depend on a narrow front of only a few fields so that are far apart so that you can mass force.... if there are dozens of fields in close proximity along a wide front...  No one will play with you... If they see a huge red bar they simply will avoid that and go to one of the fields with even bars.

sure... you will still capture territory with the horde tactic but.... you will be playing by yourselves.... All the fun will be at the other fields.... some of you lamers will of course try to kill resources wherever the fun is but... there simply aren't enmough of you to be a dozen places at once and still be effective...  

Still.... everyone wins... you kill toolsheds unoppossed and we get to fight for hours on end.... Only problem is... you won't be getting the attention and... that is what it really boils down too..  So long as you can spoil the only good fight on the map...you feel like you are a part of the game..  if everyone is off having a good time and ignoring you... then.. killing toolsheds loses it's appeal

lazs
Public Relations Officer For the BK's

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lazs2
shubie... you are simply not very observant... gameplay is dictated by the way the maps are set up and numbers.   The skilless players in your horde can only function with huge maps and far apart fields.  

If the fields are 3/4  of a sectror apart then that is where the action will be and gameplay won't favor the horde.. it will favor the furballer and and you will be the one complaining that the game is nothing but "mindless furballing".   I have seen it before..

the only reason that the hordes exist is because HT has set things up so that it looks like people are playing with you.

With a bunch of fields all close together the furball will just move when you guys manage to suicide into the toolsheds.  You will delude yourself into thinking you stopped the "front" when all you did was move the furball to a place with resources.

to put it more simply so that you can understand...

Furballers are incapable of acting in anything but an independent manner but.... you horde warriors are just as limmited... more so..  you depend on a narrow front of only a few fields so that are far apart so that you can mass force.... if there are dozens of fields in close proximity along a wide front...  No one will play with you... If they see a huge red bar they simply will avoid that and go to one of the fields with even bars.

sure... you will still capture territory with the horde tactic but.... you will be playing by yourselves.... All the fun will be at the other fields.... some of you lamers will of course try to kill resources wherever the fun is but... there simply aren't enmough of you to be a dozen places at once and still be effective...  

Still.... everyone wins... you kill toolsheds unoppossed and we get to fight for hours on end.... Only problem is... you won't be getting the attention and... that is what it really boils down too..  So long as you can spoil the only good fight on the map...you feel like you are a part of the game..  if everyone is off having a good time and ignoring you... then.. killing toolsheds loses it's appeal

lazs
Public Relations Officer For the BK's

Lazs, the down-talking aside I disagree with your premise.  Nobody limits my gameplay, and I do mean NOBODY.  I choose how to play the game, and that's it.  It really is that simple.

Within that framework, there are factors that influence my tactics, such as base separation, numbers, available resources, etc.  I choose a tactical approach to solving the problem, and execute it.  My success or failure depends on how well I solve the various factors, how well my opponents oppose my tactics, and luck.

I guess you may be missing one other thing, here.  I am not fighting to control/eliminate/defeat the furball.  I am playing to control/eliminate/defeat the other side's strat players.  You can go off to some corner of the map and furball to your heart's content, at least until somebody wants your base.  

It makes no difference to me.  There are many many strat players in your country who will fight to protect their bases from an oncoming horde, and vice versa.  Your absence does NOT diminish my AH experience in any way.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by rshubert
That may happen sometimes, but not when my bunch is doing it.  We were opposed last Thursday, and usually are opposed on every mission.  There were somewhere between 4 and 10 opposing fighters on Thursday, and we pushed them back and got the base anyway.

Try not to generalize, it doesn't always happen one way.

Ok.... stopped reading this thread, come back a week later, and it's now about how to FORM hordes, as opposed to stopping 'em.  
(sigh)
as far as a couple dedicated guys stoping an nme advance, I can't count how many times (recently) I've personally held off huge chunks o' nme's from takin' a base.  Either w/ gv's (osti hidden near town) just plain fighting 'em (a bit tougher) or taking out a 1/2 dozen goons in my 262.

It's not THAT hard, and a whole lota fun.  Granted, after an hour or so, they usually WILL get the base (only so much one guy can do after all) but dang I have alot o' laughs.

rshubert, from reading your posts, your idea of "opposed" were just a couple guys outnumbered 10 to 1.  Hope you understand just how "silly" you sound.  Ok.... I wasn't party to your last "I gonna attack this field with HUGE #'s, try and stop me", but I would like to be party to the next.  Let me know when ya' gonna do it.  I wouln't put Charon too high on my "guy able to get help at a field" list, but I promise ya' I can get more than 4-10guys.  (btw, usin' a guy w/ an avg k/d ratio of under 1 as an example of the type you wish to have oppose you isn't saying all THAT much)

Heck, bring your 40, I'll bring 20 (or less)... you not getin' that base.  SOME of us know how to stop hordes.  Some don't.  SOME of us understand just how simple it is to get rid of the mass swarms of noobs.  (hint, either kill 'em, or draw it out.  they got 2min attentions spans and will go elsewhere)

Sooo... let's try it again shall we?  Let me know when so I can get my S.H.E.E.P. alert out, rally a few boys, and play "smack the dweeb" for a bit o' light amusment.

(edit) just what IS your in game I.D.???  Just dumb to post on these bbs's w/o listing it.  It's like your "ashamed" or sumptin'.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by WMLute
Ok.... stopped reading this thread, come back a week later, and it's now about how to FORM hordes, as opposed to stopping 'em.  
(sigh)
as far as a couple dedicated guys stoping an nme advance, I can't count how many times (recently) I've personally held off huge chunks o' nme's from takin' a base.  Either w/ gv's (osti hidden near town) just plain fighting 'em (a bit tougher) or taking out a 1/2 dozen goons in my 262.

It's not THAT hard, and a whole lota fun.  Granted, after an hour or so, they usually WILL get the base (only so much one guy can do after all) but dang I have alot o' laughs.

rshubert, from reading your posts, your idea of "opposed" were just a couple guys outnumbered 10 to 1.  Hope you understand just how "silly" you sound.  Ok.... I wasn't party to your last "I gonna attack this field with HUGE #'s, try and stop me", but I would like to be party to the next.  Let me know when ya' gonna do it.  I wouln't put Charon too high on my "guy able to get help at a field" list, but I promise ya' I can get more than 4-10guys.  (btw, usin' a guy w/ an avg k/d ratio of under 1 as an example of the type you wish to have oppose you isn't saying all THAT much)

Heck, bring your 40, I'll bring 20 (or less)... you not getin' that base.  SOME of us know how to stop hordes.  Some don't.  SOME of us understand just how simple it is to get rid of the mass swarms of noobs.  (hint, either kill 'em, or draw it out.  they got 2min attentions spans and will go elsewhere)

Sooo... let's try it again shall we?  Let me know when so I can get my S.H.E.E.P. alert out, rally a few boys, and play "smack the dweeb" for a bit o' light amusment.

(edit) just what IS your in game I.D.???  Just dumb to post on these bbs's w/o listing it.  It's like your "ashamed" or sumptin'.

Not ashamed, my game name is shubie.  I post it in signatures many, many times a week.  It's there for all to see.

And we're not noobs.  The Birds of Prey is one of the oldest squads in sims, although, as in other squads, the names change as people go in and out.  Some of us like battling buildings, others like killing planes.  Some of us like both.  It's all good.

Mondays are our squad night, come watch us take bases and have a good time.  We usually start the festivities at 8 pm eastern, or so.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by rshubert
Not ashamed, my game name is shubie.  I post it in signatures many, many times a week.  It's there for all to see.

And we're not noobs.  The Birds of Prey is one of the oldest squads in sims, although, as in other squads, the names change as people go in and out.  Some of us like battling buildings, others like killing planes.  Some of us like both.  It's all good.

Mondays are our squad night, come watch us take bases and have a good time.  We usually start the festivities at 8 pm eastern, or so.

Saw two Birds of Prey squads in the top 100 squad ranks.  Didn't see you in either.  Who's your CO so I can look up your squad?

One of the oldest squads in sims?? Really?  I mean, MY squad is only 10yrs old (ish), and I know groups like the Damned are in many diff sims, but what is the origin of YOUR squad, and what's it current name, and prior name, so I can see/understand what you are talking about.

Are you considered one of the "good" pilots in your squad?  (i.e. one of the older members, top killer, etc)  Who is IN that squad that I would know from, say 4+yrs ago.  

It's JUST about 8pm eastern, and I might just have to go up and check y'all out.

(edit) I see you have flown AH for 2yrs ish now.  Grab me some time so I can give you some training.  After 2yrs you SHOULD be able to get at least a 1 to 1 k/d ratio in this sim.  I'll be happy to help ya' out.

[mars01]

That may happen sometimes, but not when my bunch is doing it. We were opposed last Thursday, and usually are opposed on every mission. There were somewhere between 4 and 10 opposing fighters on Thursday, and we pushed them back and got the base anyway.

yeah cause 40 V 4 or 10 now that must take some serious planning lolh:rofl