Originally posted by rshubert
ooh, gonzie, that's quite a post.
First, you blame your inability to get just the "right" outfit on us. Second, the rules of engagement were followed. ...
The Nikis? Why not? It is one of the most overused planes in the game, with them there 4 x 20 mm cannons. Great escort bird. We also took some Hurri 2s.
Then you decide that it's all just not worth it, and go off on your own. That's the center of the thing, dweebette. Many (but not all) of you experten won't engage unless you see something in it for you. Totally selfish, totally self-centered, completely unwilling to cooperate to acheive a goal.
That's what beats you--it's not the numbers, really. IT IS THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE A GOAL. Learn from some of your fellows, and take it like a man. Quit sniveling. It's unbecoming.
You are the biggest pile of idiocy I've encountered in a long, long while. And that's saying something, given some of the bananas who've crossed these halls.
For starters, you were the one who doesn't like to hunt alone. Well, some of us DO like to - or maybe with one or two others in the element. And it was your top cover guys who kept running away from me, and then couldn't even screen your Mosi raid. I stuck around for a sortie while others were already leaving. I was calling 6 for folks when no one else was. I got 3 assists for 1 kill. And I did this flying for a country I've never flown with before - where I know no one save a couple from the BBS or Rangoon. Hardly selfish, Shrubie. Nice try at flippery, though. Not nearly as lame as your past attempts.
YOU were the one who made the point about how your bomb-ladened figters would take longer to climb somewhere back up-thread. You set an expectation and then went off it. Fair enough for the MA. But when you arrange to have some manner of set-piece battle, and then right away start going against the things you led the other side to believe would be the rules of engagement, that tends to taint the affair.
Next, you have NO CLUE what was being said on Knight vox. It was clear to many of us that the numbers weren't there to make this worthwhile. If you weren't so busy inspecting your own sphincter, you'd have read some of the posts here and seen that many agreed that the odds were too far gone to make worth doing.
Next, your version of teamwork is to gather 40 incestual by-products and splooge over to a field, take it by shear weight of numbers, and then crow about how well organized you are. Are you even aware that other groups take fields - defended ones too - with a third that number of planes or less - often times with under 25% casualty rates (mostly due to AAA)? And how do *WE* do that - real teamwork at the individual level. It is completely clear that the kind of teamwork people like myself, Mars, and Charon practice is completely beyond your savagely limited reasoning abilities. We could explain it to you for weeks and you'd still just sit there with your thumb up your nose going "duuuhhh."
Next, no one is "blaming the strat guys" for the crappy MA gameplay. Hell, I was working with folks at Kesmai on strat systems over 10 freakin' years ago. It has to be part of the game - going up and just randomly patrolling isn't appealing to enough people.
The problem is that the current system rewards gangbangers such as yourself. People who want to fly real quality missions (like, where they land and actually shoot at enemy planes and stuff) have little to pick from when your "style" of play can so completely dominate the game. And your style dumbs down the game. I'm reminded of what some newbie said when folks were griping about the low-level Lancs to take out hangars: "Well, what other way is there?" You are the same brand of dweeb. You know no other way but winning by weight of numbers alone - and avoiding contact on top of that.
Is it effective? Yeah. Does it require planning? At some goat-herding level, yeah. Does it require even a moderate level of pilot skill? No. Will players involved in these activities improve beyond being "not total dweebs"? No.
What YOU don't grasp is that my interest in this matter (and that of others) is well beyond personal (making your allegations of my selfishness even more lame). The game is suffering right now - not "because of the strat guys" either. But because the fundamental system of rewards and checks-and-balances does nothing to promote skill improvement. And, in the long run, that will make AH become something very dull. And then people will go elsewhere. Because having vast armies of Jabo's attacking the lightest defended base - trying to avoid contact enroute - just isn't fun for very long. Or defending against an endless stream of lawn-dart Jabos - that too gets dull after a while. And I can't even imagine how someone who does this stuff - take off heavy, drag up to 10K, make one pass on tool shed, make 2 passes to vultch, then die, repeat - can get any meaningful pleasure from the game.
As far as you personally, your posts have the making of a possible troll. But maybe you are a True Believer in "strength through numbers - and nothing else." If anyone has a persecution complex it's you - all you say is "you're blaming the strat guys" over and over. As for Thursday's get-together, you showed your true colors. I will never again take you at your word on anything. Lastly, you do not understand the nature of teamwork at the elemental level of fighter combat. If you did, you wouldn't need (and lose) so many planes taking objectives. Maybe you don't care that you don't know any better - you did at one point say you "werent here to learn anything."
