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Offline TequilaChaser

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« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2005, 12:12:09 AM »
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The only drawback your F4U has, which is likely the source of your frustration is that your lack of speed makes it unlikely you can FORCE a 1 vs. 1 with just about any plane you are likely to find at altitude.
 



my F4U must be bugged then, my F4U-1, -C,-D hardly ever has a problem forcing the issue upon most any plane 1 vs 1 unless it is one of the Aces High CODs, I seldomly run into above 8k alt. Then anything over 12K alt is pretty much a gimme 1 on 1, but is different 2 or 3 on 1

WAIT: read my forcing the issue as really saying suckering them to fight me.........but ya know even when the dang running P51 with a 4k alt advantage runs for a full sector diagonally, if I break off at anytime he sure as heck turns to try and buzz me, if I turn to him he trys that PERFECTED HO maneuver, then runs chase is on, I break off, rinse repeat, usually get em on 2nd or 3rd set though......
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« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2005, 12:13:40 AM »
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Ok..

I've exhausted my wittle "punch in words and get a definition"  thingys..

...I think the wittle thing broke.

Waaaaaay too many beeg words there.

I'll research the hidden meaning of those multisylable words toomallly.


I'm sure you're not the only one who stumbles reading Zaz's postings  :D
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« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2005, 12:15:32 AM »
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my F4U must be bugged then, my F4U-1, -C,-D hardly ever has a problem forcing the issue upon most any plane 1 vs 1 unless it is one of the Aces High CODs, I seldomly run into above 8k alt. Then anything over 12K alt is pretty much a gimme 1 on 1, but is different 2 or 3 on 1


Maybe, not sure how you could possibly prevent a P51, Fw190D9, 109-G10, or P47D40 from disengaging or refusing to engage at altitude (20k'ish). They have you beat in the speed department by an average of almost 100 kias.

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« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2005, 12:18:34 AM »
ah shucks, you replyed before I could edit it..oh well!

edit: If I can force them to engage ( by breaking off and let them come to me, btw most do this everytime), once I make them miss on the pass and I am lucky enough to get a ping they panic, pull up to hard, flat turn, or dive...now that 109G10 isn't very good in the dive in most hands. the Hog holds on pretty good chase with the P51 and P47 in dive giving up ground slowly.....190d9 forget about it , if he don't break or turn or go vertical I won't catch them......

but remember, the whole key for me is faking my breaking off to draw them to me, then again you be amazed at how few can tell anothers E-state regardless if you Co-alt or they have a slight alt advantage on you.....

EXCEPT for them darn AH CODS!........

someone slap Zazen with a smelling fish please....he knows all this already....:)
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« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2005, 12:23:58 AM »
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ah shucks, you replyed before I could edit it..oh well!


Sorry, I'm watching Seinfield and refreshing the board for replies every couple of minutes. heh

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« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2005, 12:31:14 AM »
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WAIT: read my forcing the issue as really saying suckering them to fight me.........but ya know even when the dang running P51 with a 4k alt advantage runs for a full sector diagonally, if I break off at anytime he sure as heck turns to try and buzz me, if I turn to him he trys that PERFECTED HO maneuver, then runs chase is on, I break off, rinse repeat, usually get em on 2nd or 3rd set though......


Yes, at altitude, because planes are less manuverable innately and by virtue of their altitude, gunnery is usually the deciding factor. Unlike a turnfight where you can get in the 'saddle', that almost never happens up high with E fighters. The shots you get are usually forward quarter, very brief snap or tracking shots. It makes sense as the fight is in the vertical, in the vertical almost every manuever is nose to nose, as opposed to nose to tail which is prevalent on the deck with TnB planes, where aft quarter or 90 degree crossing shots are typical.

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« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2005, 12:58:49 AM »
True it is hard to commit a guy to a 1 on 1, especially I have found at altitude, so what I usually do if I smell a runner is just give the guy my 6 right off the bat to bait him, then smack him after a quick reverse.  Its great, they think some noob is just flying around like a dolt, they smell an easy kill then all of a sudden WHAM they're in the tower like WTF staring at their monitor wondering what the heck just happened     :D
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« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2005, 08:57:31 AM »
I tryed a couple of them big words in my Definition grabber. They both came back saying " Don`t worry about it Hoss".
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« Reply #113 on: January 12, 2005, 11:00:26 AM »
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True it is hard to commit a guy to a 1 on 1, especially I have found at altitude, so what I usually do if I smell a runner is just give the guy my 6 right off the bat to bait him, then smack him after a quick reverse.  Its great, they think some noob is just flying around like a dolt, they smell an easy kill then all of a sudden WHAM they're in the tower like WTF staring at their monitor wondering what the heck just happened     :D


Yup, Stang, I've seen you do that plenty of times. Often people make the mistake and assume if you are high and on the way to their base that you are heavy, they will carelessly hang there trying to climb up to you. You can wait untill their airspeed is low reverse and nail them before they even know what hit them.

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« Reply #114 on: January 12, 2005, 01:08:49 PM »
Think so? Imagine if historical flyers ran 6k away and left their countrymen to deal with the enemies instead.

This is a game, but some of the behaviors in AH are complete cowardice, and I stand by that comment.

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« Reply #115 on: January 12, 2005, 01:30:06 PM »
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Think so? Imagine if historical flyers ran 6k away and left their countrymen to deal with the enemies instead.

This is a game, but some of the behaviors in AH are complete cowardice, and I stand by that comment.
No doubt.  I think is was GooseCH and myself last night were up at a field.  There was a 38 prolly about 20k, he dove in once or twice would blow the merge totally then extend out and back up to 20k.

So fine you may be thinking he didn't want to get involved in a 2 v1 (radish) .  Well we followed him and in comes an ememy Typhoon.  Do you think the radish 38 came down and helped the typhoon?  You guessed it he didn't.  I ended up RTB out of boredom, while Goose stuck it out not shure how far he chased him.


This guy definitely put the Bore in Bore and Zoom.
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« Reply #116 on: January 12, 2005, 01:48:06 PM »
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Some people never will get it. I give up!!!!!


I know that feeling.   It is important (in my humble opinion) to not give up hope though.

I have had quite a few guys that once in a 1 on 1 situation in the Dueling Arena they begin to open thier eyes and realize just how much they have been missing.

Morpheus is a prime example.  Remember how you played before the DA Morph?  Once he realized what he was really missing it was a total revalation for him.  As it was for me a year or two earler.

Keep it up Jam!  They will come around one at a time.

c yas up.... Dave
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« Reply #117 on: January 12, 2005, 02:18:03 PM »
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That's why I like to take the - 4 , keeps the runners honest, and it's amazing how fights seem to follow that perk icon around  ;)


For a while I was into taking the TA152 up to about 25k and looking for dogfights.  Its not hard to find them in that ride.
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« Reply #118 on: January 12, 2005, 03:20:03 PM »
Midnight once suggested oxygen masks be  integrated into ah, this would fix alot of problems.
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« Reply #119 on: January 12, 2005, 03:30:25 PM »
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Think so? Imagine if historical flyers ran 6k away and left their countrymen to deal with the enemies instead.

This is a game, but some of the behaviors in AH are complete cowardice, and I stand by that comment.


Historical fliers didn't die 4 times a night.  They didn't deliberatiely go into situations where they were very likely (note LIKELY) to get killed.  We kill more pilots here in a week than all the casualties of all the air wars in history combined!

And puh-leeeez, don't talk about cowardice or bravery.  This is a game.  Nobody gets hurt, and nobody earns anything real here.  My cojones aren't on the line, and I certainly don't measure my manliness by how well I play this game.  If you do, you may need to reevaluate your life priorities.  If you have any.
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