Rumsfeld survival and the shot down 9-11 plane in Pennsylvania

[JB88]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You ever watch late night TV?

Ever see those taped testimonials for the weight loss miracle products?  Or the quit smoking in one day herbal pills? Thats pretty much the level of credibility the conspiracy theorists operate on, really where is the proof that any of those people are telling the truth, can any of it be backed up or fact checked - prolly not... Also would you belive these thories if you put them to same level of criticizm you seem to put towards the 911 commisions report?  Prolly not.  Both the theorists and late nite TV ads operate on the premise of telling the gullible and naive something they want and need to belive in.  Thats the real issue here, you need to belive.

much like the "theory:" about WMD"s grun?

[GRUNHERZ]

Well every major intelligence service in the word belived that and had evidence of it.

I think its silly to even compare these conspiracy theory websites even to the failiures of the worlds intelligence services.

So no.

[Suave]

Well lets look at what has been reported to us by the reputable media.

1 Controllers reported the plane on a course to DC.

2 Fighter jets were scrambled, and were shadowing the airliner, however did not fire on the plane, but state that they would have had it become necesary.

3 The conversation between the "lets roll" passenger and the controller.

This was widely reported in sept. 01.
Now if it's reported from a reputable source that the cockpit was not breached by the passangers. Then I don't think that it's unreasonable to suppose that those fighter jet pilots did turn  their guns on and bring the plane down over rural Pennsylvania.

Why fighters were not able to intercept the plane that hit the pentagon, who knows.

The theory about the AA and Rumsfeld is ignorant.

If the plane really was brought down by the fighter pilots that were on course to intercept, then that award ceremony was for them.

[indy007]

Originally posted by JB88
"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets.



THE F-16s

UA93 was identified as a hijack at 9.16am. At 9.35am three F-16s were ordered to "protect the White House at all costs" when it turned towards the capital. At 10.06am it crashed at Shanksville, less than 10mins flying time from Washington

A twin-engine F-16 with a radical new tail design. Neat. No wonder the person couldn't find any pictures of them, I couldn't find one on the internet either. For that matter, I can't really think of any combat aircraft in our inventory that match the eyewitness description. So, in an emergency, someone scrambled an all-white, top secret, unmarked military jet armed with sidewinders, from a hidden base in Pennsylvania, to shoot down a civilian passenger jet. Wow. Oh wait, it was the single-engine F-16s that shot it down, because they were in hot pursuit (so claimed by "anonymous" the ACT), even though they weren't seen in the area by the eyewitnesses.

I don't claim to know what happened, but wow, here's a toast to you JB88. May your underwear have far less holes in it than your theories.

[AWMac]

Originally posted by Rude
First, I don't post crazy threads on this or any other board as I referred to...secondly, if you had read any of the many posts which I have made, you would know I'm from Kansas City....thirdly, I lived in Oklahoma myself for 13 years....you're from where in Oklahoma?

North of Tulsa Rude... lil town called Owasso.

I have a friend in Newton Kansas... we watched his dog run away from home......for two weeks.

RUDE I was just remarking to your post about people no adding location to their info under avartar.  Not an attack on you by no means.



Mac

[Rude]

Originally posted by JB88
<---- raised in nebraska,  went to college in kansas city.  great place.  miss it.  though i suspect its just a bit chilly right now.

Cold is the word today...cept our Canadian buds would think 3 degree's is t-shirt weather:)

[Rude]

Originally posted by AWMac
North of Tulsa Rude... lil town called Owasso.

I have a friend in Newton Kansas... we watched his dog run away from home......for two weeks.

RUDE I was just remarking to your post about people no adding location to their info under avartar.  Not an attack on you by no means.



Mac

I have a good  friend who lives in Owasso...Dave Cole....I used to go to church there as well at Friendship Baptist.

Lot of growth in Owasso over the past ten years....always liked the country up there:)

[lazs2]

Ok dude.... ya got a deal... I can read anything allmost.... I was around back then and I sure as hell don't recall ellsburg being all for the war but maybe my recolection is blurred by his later stance.

I think you will enjoy the book "A better War"  it is not political at all I don't believe... The political stuff is background.   Mostly it is a study of two types of commanders... Westy and Abrams..

Abrams comes out like one very sharp cookie and a saint to boot while westmoreland comes out like and evil bumbling fool.   The tactics and overall plan for the war is discussed in a way that I have never heard before.

If Abrams would have been given command in the beggining I have no doubt that Sout Vietnam would be free today.   If Abrams would have been running things then I might have signed up myself.

lazs

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by patrone
Dont know why GRUN always gets so upset, USA isīnt even your country, what would you care?

Last I knew, he was an American citizen. That makes America his country. What's wrong with caring?
I'll use Grunherz and Storch as examples as those two (I know at the top of my head) are Americans born elsewhere.
I may not agree with them politically 100% but I sure respect their passion for our country. I wish more Americans shared this passion for we'd be even that much better.
Too many Americans born here take it for granted, IMHO.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by NUKE
you do not understand America. We consider anyone who bothers to come here legally and becomes a citizen as one of us, an American.

That it why we are a great nation.....people like Grun coming over and making America their own.

Exactly! Well said Nuke.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
wtf have you been in this thread? Eyewitness testimony from 6 different independent people is what?? Wtf does that mean to you? Six independent people lie for what reason? Oh oh oh.. I get it.. They all got together before 911 and agreed they'd try to rebuke the government's very next statment.. No matter what it was..

You dont believe the government lies to the population? Well, if possible for such feeble minds to comprehend, I suggest abit of reading about the 9months of governmental propaganda placed forward to the American population prior 1968s Tet offensive.. Its all about control and public perception.. Cause everyone knows, perception is reality..

How many *eyewitness* accounts of the JFK assasination have been ignored or discredited? Six people who cant identify what they saw, nor can anyone positively identify a fighter aircraft, or a missile trail, or an explosion in the sky (from a missile impact).

There has been no hard evidence presented in this thread that positively supports flight 93 being shot down.

[P0G0]

All the witnesses said the mystery plane was white, no other color mentioned. Having grown up on air force bases all over the country(military brat) I can only recall one airplane that is painted white that you can hang an air to air missle on....the F16's the thunderbirds perform with. Living  just north of Pittsburgh pa on 9 11 I can say truthfully that the thunderbirds were no where near that day. BUT that being said my father was never stationed at Area 51 so that must be where this mystery plane jetted from to shot down flight 93 with its new and improved invisible 4 tailed ramjetted AMRAM

As an architect , if you like I can explain to you the dynamics of how GRAVITY (another area 51 invention no doubt) pulled these towers down after the light weight floor joist were weakened by the jet fuel burning (yes,jet fuel will ignite). These towers were designed to survive inpact of smaller airliners when designed ,  not the larger ones flying now.

Really Guys if you just reasearch  a little bit most of these dubious accusations just dont stand up.
That said, I do believe there was a shooter on the grassy knoll

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by rshubert
That's one possible location.  Do you know where he is?

He got raosted in a junkyard smeltere.  Hes dead.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by P0G0
All the witnesses said the mystery plane was white, no other color mentioned. Having grown up on air force bases all over the country(military brat) I can only recall one airplane that is painted white that you can hang an air to air missle on....the F16's the thunderbirds perform with. Living  just north of Pittsburgh pa on 9 11 I can say truthfully that the thunderbirds were no where near that day. BUT that being said my father was never stationed at Area 51 so that must be where this mystery plane jetted from to shot down flight 93 with its new and improved invisible 4 tailed ramjetted AMRAM

As an architect , if you like I can explain to you the dynamics of how GRAVITY (another area 51 invention no doubt) pulled these towers down after the light weight floor joist were weakened by the jet fuel burning (yes,jet fuel will ignite). These towers were designed to survive inpact of smaller airliners when designed ,  not the larger ones flying now.

Really Guys if you just reasearch  a little bit most of these dubious accusations just dont stand up.
That said, I do believe there was a shooter on the grassy knoll

Good thinking there POGO.  Now explain how building 7 collapsaed.
No jet fuel please.

[Elfie]

how did building 7 collapse? never heard much about that.