Rumsfeld survival and the shot down 9-11 plane in Pennsylvania

[JB88]

well at least youve admitted to being a right winger.

thats a start.

[lazs2]

I will admit to knowing some people think I am a right winger.   I will admit that I am for sure more right wing than left wing lieing pansy.

lazs

[JB88]

Originally posted by lazs2
I will admit to knowing some people think I am a right winger.   I will admit that I am for sure more right wing than left wing lieing pansy.

lazs

good for you.

gold star.

[Raider179]

Conspiracy, give me a break.  What world are you living in? You think someone would plant explosives in the WTC, fake the pentagon attack, and shoot down the plane in PA and no one leaked anything? lmao Not in this day and age. And I guess Bin laden is just a CIA computer hologram. Funny thing is even before 9/11 I figured Bush was gonna attack Iraq. I dont think he needed this to justify it. Hey wait he didnt use it to justify it he used the WMD, so Why is 9/11 a conspiracy? to invade afghanistan? lol

Its real, it happened, I have seen the conspiracy sites, what a crock. GO AMERICA!!!

[genozaur]

Originally posted by slimm50
Let me guess: you're part of Art Bell's listening audience, right?

I like art, I heard about Graham Bell? But Atr Bell?


Really, Slimm, I am all into the study of ancient texts (the earliest from the times of "Turmoil" in Russiia, almost 400 years old).

[genozaur]

Originally posted by tce2506
If the plane didn't hit the pentagon, where DID it go?  

Yesterday I was reading the book by Ian Hogg "Twentieth Century Artillery"(Barnes&Noble Books, New York, 2000) and on page 215 there was the description of "Nike Ajax" Air Defence Missile with the following opening sentence: (quote)
Nike Ajax has the distinction of being the first surface-to-air guided missile to enter regular service with a military force when it was deployed to protect Washington DC in December 1953. (end of quote)
And on the next page of the same book one can find the following lines describing "Nike Hercules" Air Defence Missile: (quote)
Nike Hercules was the second generation of Nike and it was an attempt to produce a system which was more efficient, but at the same time simpler to use. It also had to be compatible with Nike Ajax and use as much of that expensive system as possible. .... The system was deployed in the US by late 1958 and in subsequent years it was supplied to several countries in order to upgrade their earlier Nike Ajax batteries). (end of quote)

The gist of these two pages:
Expensive air defence system of Nike Ajax batteries was first deployed in December 1953 in order to protect Washington DC. Starting in late 1958 the Nike Ajax air defence missiles were replaced with the Nike Hercules system.
This is all that I know.

[GRUNHERZ]

So you are insinuating flight 77 was shot down too!! By a decomissioned and retired (in 1979) cold war era Nike Ajax/Hercules system supposedly still in place around DC...

"This is all that I know."

Yea, and it's painfully obvious, genozaur...

[genozaur]

Originally posted by AWMac


Please do not feed the Genozaur !

I'm fed up with RAWMacs already.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So you are insinuating flight 77 was shot down too!! By a decomissioned and retired (in 1979) cold war era Nike Ajax/Hercules system supposedly still in place around DC...

"This is all that I know."

Yea, and it's painfully obvious, genozaur...

Grun, don't ascribe to me what I have not said.
If there was no need to defend Washington DC after 1979, it's pretty much O'key with me.
BTW, who was the president in 1979.  

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Rude
It's a first....I agree with Pongo:)

Crazy thread....still, the most interesting part of all of it to me is that the goofy folks that post here never put their country of origin in the wherefrom space....why is that?

I don't want to be rude, but I consider this conspiracy theory to be totally unfounded.

I never hid my country of origin. It would be too difficult to do with that really huge Soviet Union. But look, last time I checked the globe, it wasn't there. So, I'm verry much sorry that the most interesting part of this crazy thread originated in Brooklyn, NY.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by JB88
no.  i genuinely believe that flight 93 was shot down.

irregardless. it is a sad event.

to repeat myself.

i think it was the best thing to do.

and i think the pentagon kept a lid on it.

just that.

the other stuff is interesting reading, but i wouldnt lend to much credibility to it.

like i said,  it was a gut instinct.

there have been many many many cases of government cover ups that have been proven and later admitted to.

its just not that unusual.

what i fail to appreciate is your use of the words "hate" and "wacko" when refuting any hypothesis.

i find that it takes away any credibility that your intelligent, albiet dangerously black and white logic that you may have.

dont hate bro.  not even you.

TY JB for hijacking my shot airliner.  

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by genozaur
Grun, don't ascribe to me what I have not said.
If there was no need to defend Washington DC after 1979, it's pretty much O'key with me.
BTW, who was the president in 1979.  

Right...

You quote somebody asking where flight 77 went if it didnt hit the Pentagon then respond with a detailed cut and paste about a SAM system that you emphasze was installed around washington DC...

Now you try to deny it..

[genozaur]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
One more thing. I'm pretty sensitive about Flight 93 since I have a mutual friend with the family of Todd Beamer, the man famous for the "Let's Roll" remark that started the passenger uprising.  This was not a random saying, it was an old family remark often used by his father.

Little deatils like this make me extremely skeptical of any bizzare theory, as I have even read some that say all the phone calls were faked which would imply that somobody had toresearch these people and spy on them to find out their speech patterns before the flight - which is extreemely bizzare and unlikely..

So I honestly hope that one day you just let gof these thories.

Grun, so actually you are saying that you were not discussing the thread but were just opposing any notion of unknown to me conspiracy theory.
I never questioned the heroic actions of the passengers aboard the plane.
But I know that a lot of brave people died from the friendly fire, and no matter how sad that is,
such things happen, and they can happen again.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Right...

You quote somebody asking where flight 77 went if it didnt hit the Pentagon then respond with a detailed cut and paste about a SAM system that you emphasze was installed around washington DC...

Now you try to deny it..

Grun, after you gallantly told me that I glued into my post the internet address of some "lunatic" conspiracy site, I had to check it out (thank you for the recommendation). Several fly-by glimpses on its content left the impression that the guys were discussing "the absence of the plane" that hit Pentagon (in my AA understanding that "absence" could only mean "the absence of big parts" of the aircraft). So when such question arose in this thread, I answered quoting the question itself and informing the guy about the existence of the air defence system of Washington DC.
You furiously accused me of another conspiracy,
stating that the system was scrapped in late seventies, never answered my question about the name of the president of the year 1979 who left the federal capital defenceless.    
Really, Grun, what am I trying to deny?
The person in total denial is you.

[GRUNHERZ]

Genozaur your last few bizzare posts are amazing...

I'll let them stand for themselves...