how iraq was, is, and shall continue to be a total f - up

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Rolex
Hey NUKE...

I have a couple of sincere questions for you. No sarcasm or trap being set - just a couple of adults (You are an adult, right?) having a beer and shootin' the breeze. Can you handle that?

shoot.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Nash
Out of curiousity, have you ever considered what it sounds like to non-Americans when your President says, during the SOTU for example, stuff like "Greatest country in the World"... "God is on our side"... etc?

I'd like to try to answer this ...

Every country..or most anyway..should feel they are great or the greatest. If they don't then they may take it and be jealous , envious , or think Yeah Right. May even tick em off.

Having God on our side. Well as a believer in that I haven't a problem hearing that coming form my president. However it's not much different that hearing we fight for allah. Or allah is on our side. I happen to think allah is losing , but thats just me:lol

[patrone]

Thank for a good answer Redtop and I have to agree that it is someting we barely could speculate in, If the Iraq would make it a case, at this moment.
But, the case will not disapere with time, it can be brought up in about 10 or 20 years from now. It all depends what their Goverment are willing to do.

I do think they have a very strong case, if they decide to nail ya.
Maybe it was a little 2 fast to write their depts off.....You guys might be the one that would owe them money,, for decades forward.

[Nash]

Originally posted by RedTop
Every country..or most anyway..should feel they are great or the greatest.

Yeah why?

[RedTop]

Originally posted by patrone
Thank for a good answer Redtop and I have to agree that it is someting we barely could speculate in, If the Iraq would make it a case, at this moment.
But, the case will not disapere with time, it can be brought up in about 10 or 20 years from now. It all depends what their Goverment are willing to do.

I do think they have a very strong case, if they decide to nail ya.
Maybe it was a little 2 fast to write their depts off.....You guys might be the one that would owe them money,, for decades forward.

Possible. Doubtful IMO but possible.

Heres the deal. If the Iraqi people and the goverment flourish , this will be the greatest thing to happen in many many years. IF however in say 2 or 3 years , a dictator rises to power and takes Iraq back , or the Iraqi people don't make it in a democracy , it will be one of the saddest chapters in American history. Time will tell and I am no fortune teller. Whatever the outcome from here on out , I won't change my mind as to my thoughts of we have done the right thing for a bad source of info. If that makes any sense.

[NUKE]

Hey Nash, do you play AH anymore?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by patrone
Well, thats what is stated or was stated before. 14 out of 18. But the actual figures from when it happends, we have to wait for.

Well 14 out of 18 provinces being able to vote isnt to bad considering there is an insurgency going on atm. Granted 18 of 18 would be far more desireable.

[Nash]

Not for a while. Nothin' wrong with the game... just I dunno.

[patrone]

Originally posted by RedTop
Possible. Doubtful IMO but possible.

Heres the deal. If the Iraqi people and the goverment flourish , this will be the greatest thing to happen in many many years. IF however in say 2 or 3 years , a dictator rises to power and takes Iraq back , or the Iraqi people don't make it in a democracy , it will be one of the saddest chapters in American history. Time will tell and I am no fortune teller. Whatever the outcome from here on out , I won't change my mind as to my thoughts of we have done the right thing for a bad source of info. If that makes any sense.

So a democracy wouldŽnt raise any complaints towards you? Cause you did the right thing?
What if the guy that sits up there lost his whole family doing some bombings? Would he be wrong trying to test the legalty in the Invasion? What makes you think that a Democratic goverment of Iraq, would be "Pro-USA"? Would it otherwise not be democratic, even if they where elected by the people of Iraq?


edit: Pure speculates again,, nothing I "Claim"

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Nash
Yeah why?

Pride.
Patriotism.

If you don't feel that you are in the greatest country then why stay there?

Do you feel that Canada is a great country. Do you feel its the greatest? If not...why? Can you make it better? Is it great but not the greatest? Are you happy with the way it is?

Questions EVERYONE should ask themselves about there country.

I wouldnt be all that happy to hear my president , whom I would consider the possibly the biggest patriot of all , say to me , we're great but not the greatest.

Tell me we're the greatest and could be even greater.

[patrone]

Originally posted by Elfie
Well 14 out of 18 provinces being able to vote isnt to bad considering there is an insurgency going on atm. Granted 18 of 18 would be far more desireable.

I think so to, as I said, we have to see what happends. maybe it calms down.

[Nash]

Well, gee, that's great.

[NUKE]

The Iraqis are saying that they expect 70-80% voter turnout.

By contrast, the Palestinains had a 45% voter turnout......and everything was rosey by international standards.

So, if 70-80% of Iraqis vote, is that legitimate?

And that's about 70-80% more people that had a vote before.....not counting the 100% vote for Saddam, of course. What a travesty

[RedTop]

Originally posted by patrone
So a democracy wouldŽnt raise any complaints towards you? Cause you did the right thing?
What if the guy that sits up there lost his whole family doing some bombings? Would he be wrong trying to test the legalty in the Invasion? What makes you think that a Democratic goverment of Iraq, would be "Pro-USA"? Would it otherwise not be democratic, even if they where elected by the people of Iraq?

No , it could always be brought up. Whom ever wanted to bring it up I suppose would be in his right to do so. Whether it got to the fore front would be a different deal altogether.

Pro-USA? Hmm...now that is an interesting thought. I would think they would be at least partial to the USA. Quite possibly not a real buddy buddy to the USA , but they would probably go farther to help the USA than say others in the regeion in most cases. Just my opinion.

The guy losing his family would have a legit complaint. If he chose to pursue it. If he thought it was an illegal invasion.

Interesting questions you pose.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by NUKE
The Iraqis are saying that they expect 70-80% voter turnout.

By contrast, the Palestinains had a 45% voter turnbout......and everything was rosey by international standards.

So, if 70-80% of Iraqis vote, it that legitimate?

And that's about 70-80% more people that had a vote before.....not counting the 100% vote for Saddam, of course.

It's not the numbers of voters that turn out Nuke.  It's whether or not people can make it to the voting booths alive and in one piece. It's also about whether or not there is corruption during the election, things like voter intimidation, stuffing ballot boxes etc.

As long as the Iraqis can make it to the voting booths, everything should go smoothly.

Btw...who is monitoring this election?