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Offline wombatt

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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2005, 04:12:16 PM »
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wombatt, he was a owner. BUT, he treated them well. I believe he even had a relationship with one of his slaves. Im NOT condoning slavery. But compared to how they were treated by plantation owners he was a better one.


Thats is true but ownership only encouraged the slave trade by fueling the need for more slaves.

And the fact that he screwed one of his slaves hardly makes him
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2005, 04:13:16 PM »
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TJ was a slave owner and for that I can't consider him.


He was also a slave lover.

A scientist
A humanist
A theologian of sorts
A politician
A writer of great tomes
An Architect
and so much more...

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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2005, 04:14:15 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2005, 04:15:59 PM »
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He was also a slave lover.

A scientist
A humanist
A theologian of sorts
A politician
A writer of great tomes
An Architect
and so much more...



Thats great Midnight but many good deed's do not erase the sin of slavery.

I am not saying that he did not contribute to this great country ofcoures he did but I cringe at calling him the greatest American.

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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2005, 04:16:15 PM »
Nathan Bedford Forrest
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2005, 04:17:55 PM »
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Nathan Bedford Forrest


WTF!!!

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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2005, 04:24:11 PM »
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Thats great Midnight but many good deed's do not erase the sin of slavery.

I am not saying that he did not contribute to this great country ofcoures he did but I cringe at calling him the greatest American.


Well, he was a man of his time, but.....

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Jefferson was one of the remarkable group of Virginia liberal slaveholders who hoped to free the slaves and colonize them in Africa. In Notes on Virginia, first published in 1782 shortly after his term of office as governor, Jefferson explained his legislative program for the emancipation of all -slaves born after the passage of his law, providing for education at public expense "according to their geniuses," and thereafter to be colonized in a distant area under the protection of this country.


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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2005, 04:28:09 PM »
Jefferson's Notes makes it clear that he shared the contemporary beliefs about the biological dangers of race mixture, the innate cultural differences, and the impression of undesirable physical characteristics. However, like William Byrd II, the enlightened planter of early eighteenth century Virginia, he believed that present environmental factors might, to some extent at least, account for the limited achievements of the Negro. Moreover, Jefferson urged caution and scientific investigation before anyone reached final conclusions on racial potentialities.

Indeed Midnight his heart may have been in the right place
and given the ignorance of the times he was ahead of his time in some of his thinking.

thanks for the link good read.

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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2005, 04:28:17 PM »
Back then slavery was thought as like owning a cell phone now. You dont think twice of it, you just wish you can have one so it would make life easier. They were not thought as humans then. Trying to judge someone hundreds of years ago on their customs and traditons is like accusing Aztecs of mass human sacrifices of being wrong. Then it was ok. Now its not. His owning of slaves could have possibly been thinking towards keeping them out of the hands of bad owners.
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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2005, 04:30:01 PM »
i don't know about "greatest american" but Benjamin Franklin is my personal hero, he was old,fat. bald,and drank too much but the french women loved him.    go ben.

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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2005, 04:33:07 PM »
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Back then slavery was thought as like owning a cell phone now. You dont think twice of it, you just wish you can have one so it would make life easier. They were not thought as humans then. Trying to judge someone hundreds of years ago on their customs and traditons is like accusing Aztecs of mass human sacrifices of being wrong. Then it was ok. Now its not. His owning of slaves could have possibly been thinking towards keeping them out of the hands of bad owners.



Well I just hope 400 years from now they don't look back to 1940s and say it's ok to kill the jews because they must have not known any better.

I'm sorry wrong is wrong weather it's in the 1700s or now.
God did not put a timeline on sin.
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2005, 04:34:17 PM »
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pull!

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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2005, 04:34:48 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2005, 04:36:31 PM »
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pull!

(you know that ol geo is thier hilary dont you?  dont you?)


Pull? Is that a reference to the shooting arts?  Is so sir expect a call from the SS!!!

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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2005, 04:38:44 PM »
Dr. Jonas Salk and crew

They kinda came up with a vaccine for polio. Saved millions of lives