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« Reply #150 on: January 18, 2005, 09:31:19 AM »
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Wow....did you say "butcher english language" and "pathetic" ....lol.....I "remeber" chamberlain

Atleast I am not claiming to be native, speaking English.

WOW NUKE, you must be pretty drunk by now.
Guess what? I will put your "Alter ego" on ignore as well.


Please do.  You are to SKEERED to answer a simple question.

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« Reply #151 on: January 18, 2005, 09:39:59 AM »
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ROFLMAO What kind of convoluted logic is THAT??? If there is a DRAFT, see, then you are already being "volunteered"... that's why they call it (doh) a "draft."

Not to mention, of course, that if you are so convinced this war is just, WTF are you waiting to get "drafted" for? By all means you should beat the rush and enlist NOW and you MIGHT get one of the easy jobs, like cutting the draftee's hair off, for instance...

But, then again, face it- you have the Porsche, the Bimmer. all the toys- there's no way in the world you'd put YOUR life on hold, much less in jeopardy, as long as you can assign people to be your proxy. ;)

Your life is too soft and too good for military service, Karaya- I suggest you quit volunteering before I give your e-mail address to a Marine Corps recruiter.

"I'd volunteer for a draft"... LOL, too funny.:rofl :rofl :rofl




"ROFLMAO What kind of convoluted logic is THAT??? If there is a DRAFT, see, then you are already being "volunteered"... that's why they call it (doh) a "draft."   I had every paper signed to go into the Army.  I waited seven days to receive a letter of acceptance to Adrian College, I went the college route.  I gained a friend and spoke my with the "recruiter" regularly until 1997 (we lost contact).   I regret not going into the service.

"But, then again, face it- you have the Porsche, the Bimmer. all the toys- there's no way in the world you'd put YOUR life on hold, much less in jeopardy, as long as you can assign people to be your proxy. ;) "

You have no idea how wrong you are with this statement.   But, think as you must, your Handle fits you perfect here.

"Your life is too soft and too good for military service, Karaya- I suggest you quit volunteering before I give your e-mail address to a Marine Corps recruiter. "

Please hand it out, they would NOT accept me because of my age s%^thead.   You have no idea of the crap I had to deal with having a Vietnamese brother and sister growing up.   So quit while you are ahead.

You just seem to be confusing a Draft, with Volunteering.  You are stupid.

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« Reply #152 on: January 18, 2005, 09:44:33 AM »
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Perhaps I should have added the sarcastic roll eyes to the end of

"Please insert insult here"[/U]  

statement for it to be taken in the context that it was meant.

The fact that some people who post here appear unable or unwilling to formulate an argument and resort to name calling then the  "Please insert insult here"[/U] section would be ideal for them.

p.s I don't have a sword, can I fall on the butter knife instead?


btw the thread is actually about IRAN (the middle east country).

If they get out of line and start to threaten world peace then get in there and sort them out.


"The fact that some people who post here appear unable or unwilling to formulate an argument and resort to name calling then the  "Please insert insult here"[/U] section would be ideal for them."

Then in the next breathe OF THE SAME POST you typed "trailer trash"(edited).   Hypocrasy at it's finest.  

"btw the thread is actually about IRAN (the middle east country).

If they get out of line and start to threaten world peace then get in there and sort them out."

What wrld have you been living in?  They've been training Terrorists for a long time.   Wait, I bet you already knew that when you posted, eh?

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« Reply #153 on: January 18, 2005, 10:28:58 AM »
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Maybe you forgot that was exactly what US was trying to do before Japanese forces attacked Pearl Harbour.
Difference between US and Sweden at 1939 was that Swedes actually sent pilots and fighters to help Finland to fight against attacking Russian troops while US was sitting on its butt with thumb deep in bellybutton when the war had raged years around the world.


Maybe you forgot that the US was ecscorting convoys and giving aid to Russia and Britain before Pearl Harbor.

USN was ordered to attack Germans on sight to gaurd the convoys.

The USN escorted and TONS OF SUPPLIES , freeing British ships.

Ever here of "Lend-Lease" act?

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« Reply #154 on: January 18, 2005, 10:45:00 AM »
Lend lease act was made in spring 1941; 1,5 years after Germany and Russia attacked Poland, 1,5years after Great Britain and France declared war on Germany and year after Germany attacked France.
Before that US sold materials to Britain but required hard currency; because of that Britain had to liquidate its assets and sell its properties in US.

Before that US was really sitting on its thumbs; sorry.

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« Reply #155 on: January 18, 2005, 10:59:42 AM »
What the US did was pretty good, for a "nuetral" country.

besides, I thought people didn't like the US getting involved in European affairs? maybe next time we should sit out completeley, let you guys sort it all out.

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« Reply #156 on: January 18, 2005, 11:07:46 AM »
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What I want to know is when do we attack Saudi Arabia?


Been thinking this since sept 11 when they found out the majority of the hijackers were saudi..

Then the money trail (even the royal family has donated to terrorism) and now the economic warfare they are engaging us with 40-50 dollar a barrel oil thru Opec when previous prices that opec has set up (which they profit considerably even at this lower number they set it.. not the US)
was 27-30 dollars a barrel..


its pretty clear who are enemies are.. yet we attack Iraq..   Now Iran is in the crosshairs (maybe rightfully so..) and IMO it would be a mistake to hit them in preeumpt fashion.. trap them goad them and bait them.. would be more effective.

Make it clear to them..  If you or any of your fission material attack the United States or Its allies we will target you inkind with a nuclear response.. (we mean business, pull a DPRK tactic and launch a cruise missle over there borders as show of force if you want to go the sabre rattle get tough route..)

Write this in stone go thru the UN / EU / asia etc.. and hand deliver it to them.. (post the docs on the internet etc..  there will be no confusion)

Then when / if (knowing the persians it will be when) they renig on their NNPT we take all the evidence (nuclear isotopes can be tracked to their origin) take the fact we gave them fair warning and glass them in a low level response..

quite honestly though the Iranians are bold but they are not stupid...  they would back down..  and reward them for the intelligent solution..

we win and gain respect by flexing our muscles and using diplomacy..  As opposed to false pretense preeumptive BS..


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« Reply #157 on: January 18, 2005, 12:32:56 PM »
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"The fact that some people who post here appear unable or unwilling to formulate an argument and resort to name calling then the  "Please insert insult here"[/U] section would be ideal for them.

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Then in the next breathe OF THE SAME POST you typed "trailer trash"(edited).   Hypocrasy at it's finest.
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I didn't say that I wouldn't trade insults if one was offered but the insults are directed at guy who instigated the attack. If that insult is of a general nature i.e "Eurotrash" and as I don't personally know the guy then my insult needs to be general as well, such as calling an american a "redneck", which I beleive is an insult of some sort in america?.

 If I knew them personaly then I could refine the insult to "yeh well your breath smells of knob cheese" or a similar statment.

 I was just stating a sad fact that threads end up this way. You will find that I am not the one that usually throws the first insult though.

I've heard most of them before

Your Mom wears army boots.
My dad is bigger than your dad.
Your mother can't knit.
Your father can't walk with a rhubarb stick.. blah blah

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What wrld have you been living in?  They've been training Terrorists for a long time.   Wait, I bet you already knew that when you posted, eh?

Karaya


The mostly blue one that circles a burning ball of burning gas about 93,000,000 miles out, you heard of it?

 You'd win that bet, I am fully aware of Iran and terrorism, however, I don't think that terrorism in itself is enough to justify a war. In a war of this kind you would ultimately overwhelm the government concerned and possibly be able to install a more favorable regime, however, it is unlikely that you would resolve the terrorist issue, unless you incarcerate the entire population.  Even with the current occupation of Iraq and the vast resources of the coalition forces over there, terrorism is still a major headache for them and you could bet your bottom dollar that there are still terrorist training camps in Iraq somewhere and they're receiving funding from one source or another.

I think you'll find that at one time or another most countries have either supported or had a bias towards one terrorist organisation or another if that particular group fitted the current philosophy of that government. You'd also find that these governments saw them as freedom fighters etc.. We up for invading them all?
 
If you could be sure of rounding up the terrorists and only the terrorists, eliminating that group for good then round the buggers up and execute them.  

If Iran start throwing nukes around or invade another country then it's a different matter.
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« Reply #158 on: January 18, 2005, 03:15:23 PM »

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« Reply #159 on: January 19, 2005, 04:35:14 AM »
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you miss understood me naso, i did not ment iranian people phisicly attack israel, but as i said in a previews post, the sponser train, and basicly have control a big part of the terrorists that attack israel.


Damnation to live in this multicultural world: communication. :)

I have tried my best to not be misunderstud.

My request was a genuine one, I simply had the doubt to have lost some direct "official" attack on Israel, lost in time, in infos, or in "filters" (local propaganda/choises of news networks).

Yes, because I am the first to fear to be myself victim of propaganda (or whatever new cover name you want to give it), stance that many of the posters here would have some advantage to assume.

Back on the quote:

I understand now.

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« Reply #160 on: January 19, 2005, 07:14:38 PM »
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we are at "defactco war" with Iran now... it is only a matter of time before it becomes public.



Do you support Bush starting a "defacto war" without Congressional approval?

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« Reply #161 on: January 19, 2005, 07:24:20 PM »
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I googled this and all 207 related articles refer to one New Yorker magazine article written by reporter Seymour Hersh, with undisputable evidence like "a sourse close to the pentagon"


I guess we are all just going to take this guy's word for it.

I thought we all learned something about taking information at face value with the WMD thing.

At least Colin had photographs and charts.
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« Reply #162 on: January 20, 2005, 02:19:27 AM »
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I guess we are all just going to take this guy's word for it.

I thought we all learned something about taking information at face value with the WMD thing.


What WMD thing ?

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« Reply #163 on: January 20, 2005, 02:52:55 AM »
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Grunherz: how will you Euros deal with having to wear the pants for once


Well quite apparently SOME of the euros had pants enough to force YOU into a rubber dingy enroute to America. :lol

Christ this guy.. He escapes his homecountry with the tail between his legs and shreaks from behind the fence like he took over Iraq all by himself.

Unbelievable.

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« Reply #164 on: January 20, 2005, 03:14:25 AM »
I left a few years before the war because my father sought better opportunities in the USA, so your pathetic and rather disguisting attempt at insult misfires.  But it's nice to know that you think europeans should be proud of "wearing the pants" because they started yet another war of racial holocaust, conquest and annhilation where some 250,000 people - most of them innocent women and children - were shot, starved blown up or killed in other greusome ways...

Yea that was just great, go europe!!! Real accomplishment of responsible european ways there... Really something to be proud of to be "wearing the pants."

As for you personally siaf, well what else is there to say except:

You think its a great idea to  :lol  <---  at the deaths of 250,000 people!!!
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