Author Topic: Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next  (Read 4212 times)

Offline kaos1

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 14
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2005, 05:20:49 PM »
We have enough American Planes, We need the Italian "5" series planes

Fiat G55
RE 2005

Both superior to most allied planes

Offline Karnak

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 23048
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2005, 05:27:54 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by kaos1
We have enough American Planes, We need the Italian "5" series planes

Fiat G55
RE 2005

Both superior to most allied planes

Why do we "need" them?  They saw as close to no service as they could while still actually seeing service.

There are Italian aircraft that should be added, just none of the 5 series.
Petals floating by,
      Drift through my woman's hand,
             As she remembers me-

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2005, 05:36:08 PM »
Have to agree with Karnak here...

Despite the fact that the 205 is such a nice ride, it sees VERY little use anywhere. And from my source only 105 (G55s) were completed by the time the war ended (because they couldn't build engines with any semblance of speed whatsoever). That's NOT how many actually served. That's the total of how many were built. I don't even know how many languished waiting for engines or how many were waiting for pilots, but 105 is a REALLY small number. Hell even the rarified C205 had 260-some made.

If you're going for an Italian fighter, why go for the rarest most un-used planes? Why not use the butt-ugly, obsolete, and completely abundant numerous planes they had left over from the 1930s?

Lol.. No offense mate. I don't mean to be harsh. But you want the G55 because it'll be another uber plane :) (3x20mm & 2x12.7mm)... C'mon.. fess up, that's why, ain't it? :cool:

Offline Wotan

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7201
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2005, 06:15:28 PM »
I don't care anything about what get use in the main, none of planes suggested by any one would see any significant use in the main.

The wholes in the plane set mostly effect events, the CT and ToD. There are very few planes left to model that would have any meaningful use in the main.

Ju188A it has no real use in an event, the CT or ToD.

While I wouldn't mind seeing more Italian aircraft in AH they would have limited use. Even in the med...

For VVS planes there are so many needed just to get to a point where the most basic event could be run it will take more then 1 update.

Just an I16, Lagg 3 or Yak 1 wont do it.

If ToD is going to be a success and bring a new type of player into AH substitution roulette is not going to do it.

The P-39 wasn't a 'ground attack aircraft' it was an A2A fighter. Look how the Soviets used it. the M4 wasn't designed to 'bust tanks'. Just like the Yak 9t wasn't.

The P-39 kills 2 birds at once. For a New Guinea campaign the P-39/P-400 is a must, for the eastern front the P-39 is a must. Who cares how it will fair in the main. A Ju-188 wont fair any better.

The Japanese plane set is full of wholes. To claim 'its filling nicely' is pure BS. I only suggested the 3 most obvious Japanese planes and could come up with another 3.

The fact of the matter is if ToD starts in Western Europe it only stands to reason to fill that plane set out so that ToD starts outs out well.

Quote
I assume you want an earlier variant P-47 without the boost, since the current one already has the thin prop?


No I want the limited range.

P-47C-5 or D-4 (D-4 had water so its not just a water issue). The D-11 is '44 aircraft. By adding an A-3 (an A-4 would be almost the same as the A-3, we could do with an A-2 but then we end up with more mismatched variants; ie Spit V with 16lbs boost etc...) and a earlier ('43) Jug the time frame for a Western European Theater gets extended. As such you get  more balanced theater overall. Initially difficult for the Allies ending up extremely difficult for the LW.

If you just run 30 days of P51s late 38s and late Jugs then it may not be sustainable. AH has the P-38s as well now.

A 'happy time' for both sides basically.

I only fly the 109 and the planes I suggested I would ever fly at all. I did suggest to G-14 because it unfair to force the LW to fly just the 43 G-6 until October '44 and its unfair for the Allies to face the G-10 (really a K-4 with a 20mm option) earlier. So a G-14 or G-14/AS (with DB603 supercharger giving better performance at altitude)would balance that out.

I just think to make ToD a success the wholes should be filled before its introduced, at least in one theater...

So my suggestions are based on actually needs and wholes in the plane set. Not just would I would want to fly.

Offline Octavius

  • Skinner Team
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6651
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2005, 07:47:20 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Actually, the NS-37 is about a 4,562 times better than the POS M4 that the P-39 had.

I'd much rather fly a P-400 with the 20mm myself. But the people who are endorsing the P-39 do so more form the perspective of the role it could play in leveling out planesets in special events I would guess. It makes a good balancer for early PAC setups, and can be used on early Eastern Front setups as well (which is where AH is probably most weak in planeset).

-Sik


"A P39 with a zero on it's tail." :D

Don't knock my oldsmobile M4!  Hehe.  (shamefully drives an 87 olds)[/size])

P39 is on my list.  Partly so I can enjoy it, but mainly to inflate the Eastern front ... and the med/pac :)
octavius
Fat Drunk BasTards (forum)

"bastard coated bastards with bastard filling?  delicious!"
Guest of the ++Blue Knights++[/size]

Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20388
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2005, 07:54:50 PM »
In terms of the P39 and the MA, I think folks need to keep in mind the P39 performed well down on the deck.  Considering much of the airwar in the MA is down low, I'd think the 39 would do OK.

Certainly the USAAF pilots flying against the LW in the Med with the 350th did ok against the 109s and 190s when they ran into them.  And when they did it was down on the deck where the 39 was operating and the performance was better.

Dan/Slack
Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters

Offline Sikboy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6702
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2005, 07:54:53 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Octavius

Don't knock my oldsmobile M4!  Hehe.  (shamefully drives an 87 olds)[/size])



Maybe if I knock it a few times, the ROF will become decent, and the MV won't suck :p

-Sik
You: Blah Blah Blah
Me: Meh, whatever.

Offline justin_g

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 260
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2005, 09:16:08 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Wotan
The D-11 is '44 aircraft.


Uhh, then why are the serial numbers from both factories starting with 42. Like they were built in 1942...

Offline Wotan

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7201
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2005, 09:36:58 PM »
not quite...

Offline 38ruk

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2121
      • @pump_upp - best crypto pumps on telegram !
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2005, 03:27:02 AM »
P-47N

Offline FDutchmn

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1114
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2005, 03:59:31 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Jester
Would like to see some coversions of the models we have and missing equipment added.

Japan:
800kg bomb for the KATE
 


please... more torps?ok... so which torps?

Offline Scrap

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 973
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2005, 08:06:14 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Krusty

Lol.. No offense mate. I don't mean to be harsh. But you want the G55 because it'll be another uber plane :) (3x20mm & 2x12.7mm)... C'mon.. fess up, that's why, ain't it? :cool:


LOL this would qualify the:

109F4

109G6

109G2

190A5 (has 4 20mm)

and various other challenging rides as "uber"  :rofl

Offline Widewing

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8804
Re: Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2005, 10:03:20 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Wotan
I am not a big fan of US aircraft but I argued along with many others that more P-38 variants were just what this game needed.

A lot of folks take these threads to offer some ridiculous suggestions; planes that will add nothing to the game but the 'KeWl' factor.

Hopefully this thread will be focused more on what's needed rather then someones pet airplane.


I am in complete agreement with your lineup. For Early P-47s a P-47C-5 and P-47D-5 would fill out the set. I'd also like to see the D-11 updated to the high-activity prop as almost all were upgraded to this within a month of reaching Britain.

Chronology of the P-47s in terms of deliveries:
C-5 Late 1942-early 1943
D-5 Spring 1943- summer 1943
D-11 Fall 1943- early winter 1943

By December of 1943 most ETO P-47 Groups flew a mixture of D-5s and D-11s. Most, if not all P-47C-5s had been sent down to training units or were classified as War Weary (WW) by then.

As to that fellow who mentioned the serial numbers beginning with 42; serial numbers reflect those assigned when the contract was signed, and do not reflect actual delivery or in-service dates. There were P-51Bs and Cs with 42 serial numbers, but the first P-51B did not arrive in Britain until September of 1943.

For the IJAAF, the Ki-43-II, Ki-44-II and the Ki-61-1-Otsu would be very helpful.

In addition to the A6M3, I'd like to see the J2M3 added.

I also agree that the Soviet lineup needs a lot of attention.

My regards,

Widewing
« Last Edit: January 22, 2005, 10:21:34 AM by Widewing »
My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

Offline Crono

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2005, 10:08:50 AM »
Id like to see the K4 perked. Better climb, ejection pod guns, and faster than the G10. Make it really expensive, whatever. Id just like to see the K4. Might fly ma if I see the K4, who knows.

Offline TequilaChaser

  • AH Training Corps - Retired
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10173
      • The Damned - founded by Ptero in 1988
Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2005, 10:25:00 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Angus

for 1939 and 1940
He 111
Older Ju87?
Older 110?
D-520
PZL-11
Fokker

That should do the Blitzkrieg mostly.



thought the Dewoitine D-520  was French?

I for one would like to see this plane in AH for CT or SEA events. It prob would do ok in the MA as well.to rack up perk points...max speed was around 329 and had a supercharger 1 20mm cannon thru the hub and 4 7.5mm guns in/under the wings
"When one considers just what they should say to a new pilot who is logging in Aces High, the mind becomes confused in the complex maze of info it is necessary for the new player to know. All of it is important; most of it vital; and all of it just too much for one brain to absorb in 1-2 lessons" TC