Author Topic: China/Taiwan (Read 3093 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:43:46 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Well, he is right.

what was he right about?

SOB · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:44:27 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Personal attack? what's your problem?

Skuzzy, you around to see this this guy?

So, are you crying here, or just bucking for hall monitor?

NUKE · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:46:04 PM »

SOB, you never seem to have anything much to say, other than a smart arse remark here and there. No serious discussion from you, ever.

You are a clown. Make me laugh, clown.

SOB · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:47:45 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
SOB, you never seem to have anything much to say, other than a smart arse remark here and there. No serious discussion from you, ever.

You are a clown. Make me laugh, clown.

Would you like me to dance, or perhaps a knock knock joke? I can juggle too!

NUKE · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:49:57 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
You being an immature idiot.

I guess because I don't agree with you, huh?

I love how you gushed over JB88 though......a true immature person. I guess it doesn't matter, as long as he agrees with you.

And I will argue any point with you.

Are you saying the China could invade the US or attack us with conventional forces? I say China couldn'd touch us. Am I wrong?

Raider179 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:56:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Nuke is more right than you people are giving him credit for. Numbers do not an effective army make. In the Korean conflict they may have sufficed, but today's war is much faster, more lethal, and more technology dependent. All those fancy gizmos the US Armed Forces has are terrific force multipliers. Our armor and air power could engage and destroy theirs before they ever 1) saw it coming 2) could do a damn thing about it. Conventional vs. conventional China can't touch us. They have the sheer numbers, but their logisitics and tech lag far behind the US. The US is the only nation that has the logistics in place to project its forces effectively and supply those forces.

China vs. Taiwan....dunno....but it'd be a helluva fight. If China established a foothold on Taiwan it would be over. Establishing that foothold would be another story. Taiwan has lots of fancy gizmos too

1) korea is meaningless in this argument plz leave it out

2) GScholz is dead on about chinese technology not being that far from ours. For example their type 98 MBT has a laser warning system that actively interferes with laser designators.
The only thing I see we have and they dont is stealth.

3) you are forgetting that MOST of our armed forces are tied up right now

4) yeah taiwan has 4 subs, 7 destroyers, 22 frigates, 146 f-16s, 57 mirage 2000's, 128 IDF's and 90 F-5s,

not much of a match at all against china who has 67 subs, 24 destroyers, 45 frigates, 90 Guided missile boats, 150 Amphibious Assault ships, 120 bombers, 400 attack planes, 1400 fighters,

Raider179 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:59:24 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE

Are you saying the China could invade the US or attack us with conventional forces? I say China couldn'd touch us. Am I wrong?

Do not hijack this thread! This is not about invading the US it is not about Korea. This is strictly China taking Taiwan. Go start a thread on china invading U.S if you want to talk about that. STAY ON TOPIC!!!

NUKE · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:00:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
not much of a match at all against china who has 67 subs, 24 destroyers, 45 frigates, 90 Guided missile boats, 150 Amphibious Assault ships, 120 bombers, 400 attack planes, 1400 fighters,

So, with a WHOPPING 150 amphibious assault ships, how is China going to land enough troops to take Taiwan?

China cannot project any power because they, well can't project any power.

The US can project power.....probably the only nation that can.

SLO · « **Reply #38 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:00:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Nuke is more right than you people are giving him credit for. Numbers do not an effective army make. In the Korean conflict they may have sufficed, but today's war is much faster, more lethal, and more technology dependent. All those fancy gizmos the US Armed Forces has are terrific force multipliers. Our armor and air power could engage and destroy theirs before they ever 1) saw it coming 2) could do a damn thing about it. Conventional vs. conventional China can't touch us. They have the sheer numbers, but their logisitics and tech lag far behind the US. The US is the only nation that has the logistics in place to project its forces effectively and supply those forces.

China vs. Taiwan....dunno....but it'd be a helluva fight. If China established a foothold on Taiwan it would be over. Establishing that foothold would be another story. Taiwan has lots of fancy gizmos too

approximatly 5 ga-zillion chinese on earth, just imagine giving them a CAUSE to hijack an Airliner...

I see you boys haven't learned your lessons well...

jigsaw · « **Reply #39 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:15:33 PM »

Possibility that China could effectively cripple the U.S. economically by means of cessation of production items.

Hal Fishman's (SoCal channel 5 news) commentary the other night was on the irony of inability to find inaugural memorabilia that was made in the U.S.

john9001 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:15:47 PM »

iraq had the 4th largest army in the world.... before the US attacked them........

JB88 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:15:53 PM »

winning a war doesnt mean lobbing stuff over a border, no matter how you cut it. you have to occupy.

i agree that war is not going to be fought in the same way in this century, but i dont think that its going to be any easier to wage or to win just because we can pitch a smart bomb into a tin can. people still factor into the equasion, and the chances that we, a relative newborn are going to bring the ancient society of china to its knees is nieve at best.

look at iraq. i mean really.

remember, the japanese destroyed a significant portion of our navy and we turned around and put em back out at a record pace. other countries have nationalism too and there is really only so far that we can roll this ball before we become the thing that we despise and sink into a craphole.

the chinese probably have some pretty dern sophisticated hackers at thier disposal as well.

india too.

world war 1. the war to end all wars just got worse and more horrific the next go around.

technology makes that possible.

the wars of the future will be fought on all levels but the human suffering is only going to get worse.

its just plain irresponsible to bring nukes into the equasion. its suicide and its utterly illogical. havent you seen "war games" man? lol.

"hello doctor faulkner...would you like to play a game?"

i have to agree more and more with the sentiment that china is going to win economically. it is where they are placing the bulk of thier energy and all indicators point at thier success.

the hong kong analogy was brilliant btw.

Sandman · « **Reply #42 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:42:14 PM »

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War With China

Charles R. Smith
Tuesday, Aug. 14, 2001

On the first day of World War III, the United States lost two-thirds of its military and nearly half its population, yielding superiority to communist China. U.S. orders of the day were of high alert, and there is simply no evading the fact that we were not ready.

The Chinese rain of missiles on U.S. installations and homeland cities was a military masterpiece. The People's Liberation Army Second Artillery Corp achieved complete surprise, armed only with a small force of more than 300 tactical and 10 strategic missiles.

Defenseless against the attack, U.S. forces in Hawaii, Alaska, South Korea and Japan were quickly overwhelmed by the guided warheads of the Chinese missiles. The bombs plunged out of the inky blackness of space, striking within seconds of each other. The rain of death fell swiftly upon a sleeping America with precise and devastating accuracy.

In a span of little more than 30 minutes, China wiped out Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Chicago, Washington, Boston, New York, Hawaii, Manila, Seoul, Taipei and Tokyo.

China sank five U.S. carriers, seven Ohio class submarines, vaporized more than 200 MX and Minuteman missiles and destroyed more than 800 combat aircraft including 15 B-2 strategic bombers. The strikes also killed more than 100 million people without the loss of a single PLA soldier.

The Second Artillery succeeded by striking key U.S. bases, warships and air fields with a swift and bold attack. The attack left China with 10 remaining strategic missiles and nearly 300 tactical missiles, holding the devastated U.S. homeland hostage to another strike.

Despite the calls to retaliate, sending the scattered remains of U.S. nuclear forces against China would not stop another attack on America, nor would it stop the PLA Generals who ordered the first.

There is no question that the U.S. strategic missiles could devastate the Chinese homeland. However, killing hundreds of millions of innocent Chinese citizens would do little to deter the warlords in Beijing from launching the second wave of 10 missiles while remaining hidden inside bomb-proof tunnels.

China's sudden and brutal attack forced America to surrender on Beijing's terms. In little more than 48 hours, China won World War III.

Source

You sure you wouldn't prefer a nice game of chess?

Raider179 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:47:07 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
So, with a WHOPPING 150 amphibious assault ships, how is China going to land enough troops to take Taiwan?

China cannot project any power because they, well can't project any power.

The US can project power.....probably the only nation that can.

1)China can project power over the distance required. Do you know how far it is from Mainland china to Taiwan? 120 miles... Not exactly on the other side of the world.

2) how will they get troops there? How did we get troops on the beach at normandy? See this link...

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review/2001/Autumn/art3-au1.htm

summed up it says the chinese have capability to land upwards of 2 million troops on Taiwan using merchant fleet...The main problem they face is getting armor and hvy equipment over there.

NUKE · « **Reply #44 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:54:10 PM »

That's not even close to reality.