Author Topic: China/Taiwan (Read 3094 times)

Raider179 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:58:27 PM »

wow Nuke you won me over with your response...NOT! Do you even know what NWC is?

Grits · « **Reply #46 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:00:32 PM »

Nevermind that as others have pointed out that the Chinese cant put any meaningful military power in Taiwan (how do you propose they get those merchant ships through even one US Navy CV battle group?), they wont do it because they will lose exponentially more than they would ever gain from taking it. China is the most brutally pragmatic government in the world, they will change any policy they have if it is to their advantage, and taking Taiwan is not to their advantage in any way.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #47 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:03:15 PM »

USA surrender to a first strike nuclear attack, thats laughable.

The second Chinese nucler missles are flying to the USA we respond witrh a massive strike that wipes out all of China.

Or do you think we still dont have that policy and the proper targeting data..

Or missles stealthily attacking from the "inky black" of space, what did we turn Norad into a Disney cave fun park?

Did our satelites just run out of batteries?

And just exactly how does china even find let alone sink all our Ohio class boomers, each one capable of destroying all of china by itself..

Or how to the "PLA Generals" deal with the fact that all of their nation is destroyed too?

You know the article is deceptivly two faced, on one hand it boasts that China is no longer a backwards stone age peaseant nation and thus a real hight tech threat. But it strikes me that the piece still basically works from the idea that China is still that backwards nation that would not suffer from loss of vital infrastrucxture and cities caused by nuclear war..

The whole scenario is rather full of flash but lacking in substance.

Raider179 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:10:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Nevermind that as others have pointed out that the Chinese cant put any meaningful military power in Taiwan (how do you propose they get those merchant ships through even one US Navy CV battle group?), they wont do it because they will lose exponentially more than they would ever gain from taking it. China is the most brutally pragmatic government in the world, they will change any policy they have if it is to their advantage, and taking Taiwan is not to their advantage in any way.

You assume that a U.S. task force is guarding Taiwan. I havent seen anything that says this is the case. Even if it were ever heard of cruise missiles or anti-ship? The chinese have both including a knockoff of the exocet. Might have a hard time defending 1 carrier task force from Land based attacks.

Sandman · « **Reply #49 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:19:20 PM »

No doubt it has holes, Grun. It's fiction.

While I believe that the U.S. would ultimately win in any military contest against the Chinese, I believe that the economic and military cost would be horrific. I also believe that the American people have no stomach for it.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #50 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:31:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
No doubt it has holes, Grun. It's fiction.

While I believe that the U.S. would ultimately win in any military contest against the Chinese, I believe that the economic and military cost would be horrific. I also believe that the American people have no stomach for it.

Of course it would be horiffic, all major wars are.

As for your second point, and especially in this context, the Japanese thought so too.

Sandman · « **Reply #51 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:33:48 PM »

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Of course it would be horiffic, all major wars are.

As for your second point, and especially in this context, the Japanese thought so too.

Ah... but Japan is out of context. They hit us directly and they did it first.

As Nuke points out, China lacks the abilty to project power.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #52 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:47:17 PM »

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Ah... but Japan is out of context. They hit us directly and they did it first.

As Nuke points out, China lacks the abilty to project power.

Context was the scenario you posted.

Gixer · « **Reply #53 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:53:31 PM »

I think a more intresting subject is whether the US would intervine if China did take Taiwan. Personally I don't think they would militarilly it wouldn't be worth the risc short term or economically in the long term. Not to mention they have the capability to sink a carrier task force before it even reaches Taiwan.

Some of you seem to think China today is the China it was 40 or even 10 years ago. It's progressed in leaps in bounds since then and their growth rate is Phenomenal. No doubt at their current rate within the next 15 to 20 years they will be the world's super power, economically and militarilly.

They don't need to invade Taiwan let alone the US (that's old hat) they just take it economically instead.

~~...-Gixer~~

patrone · « **Reply #54 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:58:13 PM »

Gixer you mean...........Like: Owned?

Gixer · « **Reply #55 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:02:25 PM »

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Gixer you mean...........Like: Owned?

Are you able to translate that comment as I have no idea what you mean.

~~...-Gixer~~

SOB · « **Reply #56 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:03:57 PM »

If China ever decides to take Taiwan, then they can have 'em. Particularly if the other option is us intervening militarily.

patrone · « **Reply #57 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:03:59 PM »

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Are you able to translate that comment as I have no idea what you mean.

~~...-Gixer~~

~~Like they will buy them instead of invading them?,,,,USA and Taiwan would be owned by Chineese?~~

Staga · « **Reply #58 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:05:26 PM »

China is capable to destroy US financially; they don't have to use guns at all.

Raider179 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:06:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
I think a more intresting subject is whether the US would intervine if China did take Taiwan. Personally I don't think they would militarilly it wouldn't be worth the risc short term or economically in the long term. Not to mention they have the capability to sink a carrier task force before it even reaches Taiwan.

Some of you seem to think China today is the China it was 40 or even 10 years ago. It's progressed in leaps in bounds since then and their growth rate is Phenomenal. No doubt at their current rate within the next 15 to 20 years they will be the world's super power, economically and militarilly.

They don't need to invade Taiwan let alone the US (that's old hat) they just take it economically instead.

~~...-Gixer~~

Gixer this is exactly the type of thing I was looking for out of this thread. It is pretty obvious that china can demolish taiwan and then go in if it wanted to. Good points I believe I agree that they seem to be trying to take it economically. open of trade/air routes etc...