Author Topic: China/Taiwan (Read 3864 times)

Raider179 · « **Reply #60 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:08:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga
China is capable to destroy US financially; they don't have to use guns at all.

interesting but not true IMO . America survived without China before and I believe we could do so again.

Sidenote...Does anyone know or can point to where the U.S. is obligated to defend Taiwan? I am pretty sure I remember that we are somehow but I cant remember how.

Gixer · « **Reply #61 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:09:49 PM »

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Originally posted by patrone
Like they will buy them instead of invading them?,,,,USA and Taiwan would be owned by Chineese?

Already happening isn't it?

~~...-Gixer~~

patrone · « **Reply #62 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:10:56 PM »

Could they buy like all TV stations in USA and only send the stuff they wanted to? Same with newspapers? Maybe sponsor a President candidate that they knew would be very friendly towards them?

I am talking about the chineese, now

Raider179 · « **Reply #63 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:20:46 PM »

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Originally posted by JB88

the chinese probably have some pretty dern sophisticated hackers at thier disposal as well.

Almost missed this

Ok 5 points to who can name the virus/worm the chinese released and the circumstances it was released under.

5 bonus points did american hackers retaliate?

sorry for going a little off topic but I had forgotten this

Urchin · « **Reply #64 on:** January 21, 2005, 09:12:58 PM »

Yea, China could take Taiwan... and if they couldn't they might just nuke off right off the map. Dunno what the prevailing winds are like in the part of the world, fallout might make that an unattractive option.

I'm not sure how many people are actually aware of the fact that within 20 years, the U.S. will no longer be a economic "superpower".. it will be Asia's turn.

We'll probably still be a military superpower, I really can't imagine the United States politicians ever giving that up voluntarily, although it'd be something if China put us out of business the way we put the Soviet Union out.

Pretty much any major war between two nuclear countries will result in one country ceasing to exist. Maybe both, but definately one.

In my opinion anyway.

Gixer · « **Reply #65 on:** January 21, 2005, 09:38:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I'm not sure how many people are actually aware of the fact that within 20 years, the U.S. will no longer be a economic "superpower".. it will be Asia's turn.

We'll probably still be a military superpower, I really can't imagine the United States politicians ever giving that up voluntarily, although it'd be something

It's not possible to sustain a military superpower long term without the super economy to support it. US politicians might not have any choice in the matter.

~~...-Gixer~~

Urchin · « **Reply #66 on:** January 21, 2005, 10:01:45 PM »

Yea, which is why I said it'd be interesting if the Chinese put us out of business the way we put the Soviets out of business.

JB88 · « **Reply #67 on:** January 21, 2005, 11:09:08 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Oh China has the ability to project plenty of power towards Taiwan (which is the thread topic). If the US wants to intervene, it will have to park its carriers within the reach of the largest air force in the world.

we do have 5 battlegroups in the pacific, ill concede this, but i dont believe that is even remotely enough to win a war with china, which is what will have to happen to successfully defend taiwan should they decide to take it.

i just dont believe that we will. i.e. we will find a way to back out of it and save face simultainiously.

and i just dont think that china is seriously going to invade tiawan until they have achieve superpower status.

which they will.

JB88 · « **Reply #68 on:** January 21, 2005, 11:12:06 PM »

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Originally posted by patrone
Could they buy like all TV stations in USA and only send the stuff they wanted to? Same with newspapers? Maybe sponsor a President candidate that they knew would be very friendly towards them?

I am talking about the chineese, now

they got pretty cozy to clinton, though i am not totally in disagreement with the practice. his arguement was essentially the same as many of us, that intertwining china economically will force thier hand on certain human rights issues and render war a negative economic probability.

Thrawn · « **Reply #69 on:** January 21, 2005, 11:29:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
interesting but not true IMO . America survived without China before and I believe we could do so again.

Indeed, but the economic damage to the US would be horrible. China would be damaged in the short term as well, but not anywhere near to the same degree. And Beijing doesn't have to worry about keeping the voters happy.

Hell China is already starting to sell USDs and buy Euros. They are also starting to purchase companies in the US, Canada and elsewhere.

patrone · « **Reply #70 on:** January 21, 2005, 11:34:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Indeed, but the economic damage to the US would be horrible. China would be damaged in the short term as well, but not anywhere near to the same degree. And Beijing doesn't have to worry about keeping the voters happy.

Hell China is already starting to sell USDs and buy Euros. They are also starting to purchase companies in the US, Canada and elsewhere.

"I said wolk liadel, if you dont wolk you will not get youl daily bowl of lice!!"

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #71 on:** January 21, 2005, 11:35:46 PM »

A single-minded financially growing high export closed Asian command economy is buying up the USA!!!!! Its all over!!! There is no hope!!! We are doomed!

Where have I heard this before?

patrone · « **Reply #72 on:** January 21, 2005, 11:39:10 PM »

"And you to GLUN, wolk, no playing the pc, wolk fol youl lice.....hihihihi"

(Sorry, really not making fun of the chineese people)

JB88 · « **Reply #73 on:** January 21, 2005, 11:39:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Indeed, but the economic damage to the US would be horrible. China would be damaged in the short term as well, but not anywhere near to the same degree. And Beijing doesn't have to worry about keeping the voters happy.

Hell China is already starting to sell USDs and buy Euros. They are also starting to purchase companies in the US, Canada and elsewhere.

they are also investing heavilly in south america.

big time.

Thrawn · « **Reply #74 on:** January 21, 2005, 11:51:22 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
A single-minded financially growing high export closed Asian command economy is buying up the USA!!!!! Its all over!!! There is no hope!!! We are doomed!

Where have I heard this before?

Yeah, good thing Japan and China are exactly the same so the anology holds.

At least we will have company when China does the same thing to Europe in 20 years.

"they are also investing heavilly in south america.

big time."

I wasn't aware of that, but I'm not surprised.