Author Topic: Assassinate Hitler? (Read 1587 times)

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #45 on:** January 23, 2005, 03:21:05 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Would you risk six billion lives to save 6 million? We live in a world where nuclear weapons have existed for 60 years, yet only used in anger twice.

WWII came at the exact right moment in human history. We learned the horrors of modern warfare without completely destroying ourselves.

it was WW2 that allowed(funded) research to build a nuclear bomb in the first place.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 23, 2005, 03:26:24 PM »

Wrong, nuclear research was happening whether there was a war or not.

Germans were the actual first ones to start the major research, but Hitler was an bellybutton towards the scientists, so they worked slower on purpose.

patrone · « **Reply #47 on:** January 23, 2005, 03:36:40 PM »

Yes, I think that you are correct in what you are saying, Laser.
But you can not really judge Germany, whitch industry was under constant bombing, for trying to make things that actully worked.

The A-bomb was kinda fictional until Hiroshima, really.

Boroda · « **Reply #48 on:** January 23, 2005, 03:51:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
ROFL! Haul your bellybutton to a communist state and relearn your history handsomehunk!

Communism is the biggest cancer of the planet, especially in the hands of Stalin and the likes.

You forgot the holocaust Stalin committed within his own country? Gimme a break.

Ignorance is power. My congratulations.

Brainless TV crap consumers like you are the biggest cancer of the planet.

Keep telling me and Gena about "evil communist state". You are funny.

Interesting cultural phenomenon: every illiterate truck-driver from across the ocean tells me revelations about my country and gets offended when I say that maybe it's a good idea to ask me about my country, my history and my life!

Angus · « **Reply #49 on:** January 23, 2005, 04:48:55 PM »

Communists? What communists? There hardly are any to be found.
But Fascists and neo Nazis are there sadly....

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #50 on:** January 23, 2005, 05:07:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Ignorance is power. My congratulations.

Brainless TV crap consumers like you are the biggest cancer of the planet.

Keep telling me and Gena about "evil communist state". You are funny.

Interesting cultural phenomenon: every illiterate truck-driver from across the ocean tells me revelations about my country and gets offended when I say that maybe it's a good idea to ask me about my country, my history and my life!

hey, leave Boroda alone. he was never oppressed cause his family was probably high up in the party hierarchy. People like that had everything they wanted, imported from the west, big houses, their own hotels-heck, their own resorts, and never had to live in fear or poverty.
so, from his POV, the Soviet Union was heaven on earth. of course, as a good communist, he doesn't believe in heaven

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 23, 2005, 05:10:38 PM »

Communism is a good ideal. But it's just that, an ideal. It doesn't work.

Boroda · « **Reply #52 on:** January 23, 2005, 05:13:56 PM »

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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
hey, leave Boroda alone. he was never oppressed cause his family was probably high up in the party hierarchy. People like that had everything they wanted, imported from the west, big houses, their own hotels-heck, their own resorts, and never had to live in fear or poverty.
so, from his POV, the Soviet Union was heaven on earth. of course, as a good communist, he doesn't believe in heaven

Is it mandatory for you, Western people, to repeat all this braincrap about USSR?

You know nothing about my country. Please, admit it and stop telling all this nonsence.

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #53 on:** January 23, 2005, 08:38:37 PM »

Bo, I know about life under communist regimes. I'm not talking out of my bellybutton here. I also know that a lot of your countrymen miss those days when the world was afraid of the USSR.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #54 on:** January 24, 2005, 12:45:47 AM »

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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
hey, leave Boroda alone. he was never oppressed cause his family was probably high up in the party hierarchy. People like that had everything they wanted, imported from the west, big houses, their own hotels-heck, their own resorts, and never had to live in fear or poverty.
so, from his POV, the Soviet Union was heaven on earth. of course, as a good communist, he doesn't believe in heaven

You should have never have hit the "Reply Button" on this one.

Boroda never slammed the US? So why make fun of him by saying "the Soviet Union was heaven on Earth"? Let alone call him a Communist? It's his country it IS his "heaven on Earth", just like the US is mine.
You are chickenchit Spitfire, just plain chickenchit.

Karaya

moot · « **Reply #55 on:** January 24, 2005, 01:08:36 AM »

All I know is Communism = my hard work redistributed to other people.
If the above is false, I'm all ears for proper correction. I wouldn't want that nor would want someone else's rewards given to me.
You get what you earn, no more, no less.

Otherwise, **** you, and **** anything left of neutral.

JB88 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 24, 2005, 01:11:08 AM »

ayn rand couldnt have said it better.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #57 on:** January 24, 2005, 04:44:57 PM »

Hey Boroda I know several russians. I've even arrested a couple for shoplifting.

I've been to russia on a roadtrip.

I KNOW. Through my own eyes.

So yes, I say you're delusional.

Boroda · « **Reply #58 on:** January 26, 2005, 08:49:31 AM »

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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
Bo, I know about life under communist regimes. I'm not talking out of my bellybutton here. I also know that a lot of your countrymen miss those days when the world was afraid of the USSR.

Then You tell beautifull nonsence about things you "know". "high up in the party hierarchy"! You speak like you repeat fantasies of Clansy or Turtledove.

It's just as if I was saying something like "Spitfiremkv doesn't know anything about problems of ordinary Americans, he must be a capitalist, so he has black slaves and never had to work himself".

genozaur · « **Reply #59 on:** January 29, 2005, 11:43:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
The guy who was groomed to re-place Hitler was Reinhard Heydrich. He was assignated In May'42, by British-trained Czech agents.

There's some specualtion that Heydrich was poisoned. He was hit by shrapnel from an anti-tank grenade thrown by Jan Kubiš. The German autopsy states that Heydrich's death was a result of septicemia caused by bacteria and toxins from the bomb splinters. Some suggest that the the bombs contained a bio-toxin to ensure any one even wounded would die.

The Czech agents were pursued by the Germans to a nearby church and committed suicide to avoid capture.

Heydrich was the head of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) of which the SD, the Gestapo and the Einsatzgruppen were parts. He was one of the chief architects of the Holocaust and chaired the Wannsee conference.

In 1941 Heydrich was appointed Protector of Bohemia and Moravia and would drive around in an open top vehicle many times by himself. The Brits took advantage of this opportunity and sent in the Czech agents to kill him.

Heydrich was also a pilot. It has been said that he once flew a 109 sortie in the east and was forced down behind enemy lines (eng trouble IIRC).

Some also suggest his political skills were equal to or better then Hitlers. It is also claimed he had gathered material on all the top NSDAP some of it he may have used to his advantage.

The Allies' official propaganda till this day says that Heydrich's "septicemia" was caused by the particles of the seat stuffing (horse's hair, metal wires, and other 'stuff').
The premeditated bio-toxin poisoning version of the events seems to be less likely for us today. Josef Gabchik (pardon my spelling), a Slovak, served in the Chechoslovak army from April 1932 till October 1938 reaching the rank of Sergeant. {an official gap here}. Demobilized after the Munich crisis, he worked at the military chemical plant where he was the keeper of the mustard gas stock. {again an official gap here} In March 1939, fearing the German occupation, he fled to Poland. But not before destroying all the mustard gas stock by adding acid to it. {and again an official gap here} In August 1939 he and 435 other emigrants were evacuated to France, where Gabchik joined the Foreign Legion, and later was transferred to the Chech division in Sete. He distinguished himself in the battle at Marne {NB} "while serving with the machine-gun unit". {NB : not 'in' the machine-gun unit} Gabchik was the original first-pick member of the duo assigned to carry out the operation "Antropoid" (assasination of Heydrich). The bombs for the operation "Antropoid" were specially designed by Major Clark, an expert in explosives. The bombs looked more like the anti-tank device resembling small gas tanks in the wrappings. Before throwing such a bomb it was necessary to unscrew the bakelite lid, and remove the safety.
Gabchik and Kubish (pardon my spelling) parachuted east of Plsen at 02:24 on December 29, 1941. But the assasination itself was conducted only on May 27, 1942. It was Gabchik who insisted that they should go ahead with the operation "Antropoid". Which gives us five months of the bio-toxin 'life'.
If anybody knows the effective life-spans of different bio-toxins, we can probably nail-down the toxic agent that killed Heydrich, if such was the case.

P.S. The paratroopers were hiding in the church attic and basement till June 18. When surrounded by SS troops, the three paratroopers in the attic (including Kubish) fought the SS men for two hours, and the four other paratroopers in the basement repulsed the SS attacks (including tear gas) for six hours. Only after they ran out of ammunition for their pistols did they committed the suicide.