Assassinate Hitler?

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Boroda
Ignorance is power. My congratulations.

Brainless TV crap consumers like you are the biggest cancer of the planet.

Keep telling me and Gena about "evil communist state". You are funny.

Interesting cultural phenomenon: every illiterate truck-driver from across the ocean tells me revelations about my country and gets offended when I say that maybe it's a good idea to ask me about my country, my history and my life!

Boroda, please take into account that these truck-drivers passed the written test for their driving licenses. So, your epithet "illiterate" may be only a half-truth, because the guys can read. Some of them can also type.  

[Furball]

Originally posted by Boroda
Ignorance is power. My congratulations.

Brainless TV crap consumers like you are the biggest cancer of the planet.

Keep telling me and Gena about "evil communist state". You are funny.

Interesting cultural phenomenon: every illiterate truck-driver from across the ocean tells me revelations about my country and gets offended when I say that maybe it's a good idea to ask me about my country, my history and my life!

I have to say Boroda, you speak beautiful English.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Furball
I have to say Boroda, you speak beautiful English.

Actually, 'beautiful' describes the conjugated form of the infinitive verb 'to speak' rather than the noun 'English'.  'Beautiful' in this case is used as an adverb and therefore should be written or spoken in the adverb form, ie. with the attached suffix 'ly'.

It would be gramatically correct to write, 'You speak English beautifully' rather than your 'you speak beautiful English.'  However as this is a written rather than a spoken forum, it would be factually more correct if you complimented is writing rather than his spoken word.

Superiorly* yours,

Holden

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[Wotan]

it would be factually more correct if you complimented [h]is writing rather than his spoken word.

[Holden McGroin]

I was correcting grammar, not checking typos.

mea culpa:)

[Furball]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Actually, 'beautiful' describes the conjugated form of the infinitive verb 'to speak' rather than the noun 'English'.  'Beautiful' in this case is used as an adverb and therefore should be written or spoken in the adverb form, ie. with the attached suffix 'ly'.

It would be gramatically correct to write, 'You speak English beautifully' rather than your 'you speak beautiful English.'  However as this is a written rather than a spoken forum, it would be factually more correct if you complimented is writing rather than his spoken word.

Superiorly* yours,

Holden

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i nevar sed i speak bootiful english, i says he does!

[Siaf__csf]

Beautiful english or not, if you need a real eye-opener try taking your vehicle through the country.

I guarantee you it will be a memory for a lifetime. It is really, really hard to grasp the reality in an (ex) communist state untill you actually pass the border and face the decadence.

Extreme to extreme. Door handles with ruby tips the size of golfballs on the other side of the street and punched out broken asphalt, 50 year old park benches that have never been cleaned or repaired and building walls black from filth, stripped as high as a human hand can reach on the other side. And that's just the modern enviroment of the city!

Face villages with buildings in pre-ww2 stage. Half collapsed roofs, chipping sunbleached paint, busted out picket fences - and that's just the better houses still in use.. Horsecarriages at regular use in the year of 2005. Burned buildings abandoned. They don't demolish them, they just sit there like bad teeth with black charcoal holes for windows.

After the initial shock I could just watch in awe as we passed by. We were a company guided by a friend who worked in russia and had experience in travelling in the country so we didn't use travel agencies or stick to tourist routes. No, we went in places that regular tourists will never see. I made a firm promise to myself to never return if I ever made it back from that trip in one piece.

I did and the promise hasn't been broken. Maybe that sheds some light on my view of the things. Maybe Boroda can now come and tell me 'it's not how it looks like!'

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Beautiful english or not, if you need a real eye-opener try taking your vehicle through the country.

I guarantee you it will be a memory for a lifetime. It is really, really hard to grasp the reality in an (ex) communist state untill you actually pass the border and face the decadence.

Extreme to extreme. Door handles with ruby tips the size of golfballs on the other side of the street and punched out broken asphalt, 50 year old park benches that have never been cleaned or repaired and building walls black from filth, stripped as high as a human hand can reach on the other side. And that's just the modern enviroment of the city!

Face villages with buildings in pre-ww2 stage. Half collapsed roofs, chipping sunbleached paint, busted out picket fences - and that's just the better houses still in use.. Horsecarriages at regular use in the year of 2005. Burned buildings abandoned. They don't demolish them, they just sit there like bad teeth with black charcoal holes for windows.

After the initial shock I could just watch in awe as we passed by. We were a company guided by a friend who worked in russia and had experience in travelling in the country so we didn't use travel agencies or stick to tourist routes. No, we went in places that regular tourists will never see. I made a firm promise to myself to never return if I ever made it back from that trip in one piece.

I did and the promise hasn't been broken. Maybe that sheds some light on my view of the things. Maybe Boroda can now come and tell me 'it's not how it looks like!'

 

Boroda has nothing to do with the things you saw. On the contrary, Boroda and millions of other "bad" guys were building those things 50 years ago. What you saw is the result of the USA victory over the Soviet Union in the Cold War. BTW, President Gorbachev was the top-most Communist. Can you say that he was a bad guy? And there were millions of the communists like him. But the USSR government (even during Gorbachev's 'perestroika' and 'glasnost')  was forced to spend too much on the weapons instead of butter. Thanks to the overzealous American administrations. It was not enough for the "good" guys to win in the Cold War. They felt obliged to cut the throat of the already defeated enemy.
So, what you saw was not the result of harsh communist rule, as you are told to think. These are the sunbleached blood stains of your victory.
If you want to learn more, just search for the information on the average life-span of the people of the Eastern Europe, former Soviet Republics in particular. You'll be amazed when you learn that the life expectancy in some regions dropped from 65-70 years (Soviet era) to only 55 years (for males). Really, this is the freedom and democracy brought on the tips of the bayonettes.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by spitfiremkv
ok.Tonight I am in the mood to play Harry Turtledove. Let's say Hitler was just a bit more lenient and didn't ban the commies. They either take power (not likely), or stay as one powerful opposition. Naturally Hitler would not want to upset them too much, for fear of civil unrest, and so he would stay in good relations with USSR. Not having to attack them, he would not divert his resources to the east, and would manage to conquer England and probably North Africa. The US would not be able to defeat Germany and Japan combined, and most likely it would be attacked by the Soviets as well.
US and their (only) ally Canada will soo be overwhelmed.
Badaboom!
FF a decade and the entire world looks like something out of "1984"

The most unlikely scenario is the USSR joining Japan and Germany in their attack on the USA in early 40's.
Spitfire, you are spitting here the venom of the Cold War, which happened to occur some time later than the events you are talking about.

[Suave]

Originally posted by genozaur
But the USSR government (even during Gorbachev's 'perestroika' and 'glasnost')  was forced to spend too much on the weapons instead of butter. Thanks to the overzealous American administrations.

Yes, in the same way that a policeman forces a terrorist to shoot a hostage.

Don't they teach the subject of recognition of fallacies of logic in propoganda  in school anymore?

BTW, the  people of the east bloc countries, including the russians, won the cold war.

[Rasker]

The History Channel did a good program on British efforts to assassinate Hitler.  Toward the end of the war, [perhaps even before the abortive 7/44 attempt] the conclusion was reached that having him in power making irrational decisions meant a faster defeat for Germany than having anyone else in his place.  If Rommel, say, had replaced Hitler, in July of '44, the war might have lasted years longer (with even greater cost in lives), and Germany might have been able to negotiate some sort of terms.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Rasker
The History Channel did a good program on British efforts to assassinate Hitler.  Toward the end of the war, [perhaps even before the abortive 7/44 attempt] the conclusion was reached that having him in power making irrational decisions meant a faster defeat for Germany than having anyone else in his place.  If Rommel, say, had replaced Hitler, in July of '44, the war might have lasted years longer (with even greater cost in lives), and Germany might have been able to negotiate some sort of terms.

Rommel was too good a soldier not to understand that the war had been already lost. So, with Rommel in power the war wouldn't continue as long as it did with Hitler.