Author Topic: Anyone following the Walmart Unionization in Canada? (Read 4136 times)

Toad · « **Reply #195 on:** February 12, 2005, 05:50:43 PM »

Oboe, not really.

I know I won't affect it in one way or the other. They are brutal competitors on so many levels. I've got a brother-in-law that's made multi-millions in commercial real estate and a son that works for a mult-multi-millionaire in commercial real estate.

Neither one of those guys wants to touch WalMart.

Suave, I think some of these rah-rah entry level wage guys don't understand that their children will be in competition with entry level wage workers in countries where .25/day is the entry level wage.

NUKE · « **Reply #196 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:02:05 PM »

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I don't think Nuke understands the national economical impact of wal-mart's unethical practices.

He's stuck on the entry level employment wage thing.

Unethical practices? Define ethical.

Walmart is not forcing one person to sell to them or to work for them. And they pay wages similar to any other simliar job offered anywhere else.

I don't think you understand that it's a global economy and places like China offer cheap goods that cannot be created for the same cost in America.

It's not Walmart's fault that they are able to but ultra cheap products from China and make huge profits.

And Walmart does not hurt the US economy in any way.

Suave · « **Reply #197 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:04:32 PM »

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And Walmart does not hurt the US economy in any way.

Toad I think we've found the source of the malfunction.

NUKE · « **Reply #198 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:05:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Oboe, not really.

Suave, I think some of these rah-rah entry level wage guys don't understand that their children will be in competition with entry level wage workers in countries where .25/day is the entry level wage.

Yeah, and that is somehow Walmart's fault?

NUKE · « **Reply #199 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:08:30 PM »

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Toad I think we've found the source of the malfunction.

real bright answer.

Walmart is responsible for 2 % of the US's GDP. Tell me how that hurts the US ecomomy. Not to mention all the cheap goods they offer people.....people that need to stretch their dollar.

Lizking · « **Reply #200 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:13:49 PM »

When I was selling concrete products, I sold them for less than a year. They were a hassle to deal with both on the front end and the delivery end and they paid 90 days on 30 day invoices. I am not talking one store, either, I am talking Central Texas. They were not happy about it, and that is when I quit shopping there (early 90s). However, I did sell a watermelon load of block to BUILD Walmarts.

Suave · « **Reply #201 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:19:44 PM »

Nothing unethical about profiteering from slave labor and putting tens of thousands of americans out of work and closing inumerable companies that pay civilized wages.

Oh but that doesn't hurt the american economy.

Fine, keep giving your money to the super wealthy sweat shop owners, and keep paying their employees with your tax dollars. I wonder how many american jobs were lost this week because they couldn't compete with slave labor. But hey, as long as it's not hurting the american economy.

What is "it" that you're refering to that is a global economy btw?

Suave · « **Reply #202 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:25:17 PM »

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real bright answer.

Walmart is responsible for 2 % of the US's GDP. Tell me how that hurts the US ecomomy. Not to mention all the cheap goods they offer people.....people that need to stretch their dollar.

Yeah especially since they lost their job of 20 years because some company wanted to buy sweatshop production instead, and have to take a job at walmart.

NUKE · « **Reply #203 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:29:06 PM »

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Nothing unethical about profiteering from slave labor and putting tens of thousands of americans out of work and closing inumerable companies that pay civilized wages.

Oh but that doesn't hurt the american economy.

Fine, keep giving your money to the super wealthy sweat shop owners, and keep paying their employees with your tax dollars. I wonder how many american jobs were lost this week because they couldn't compete with slave labor. But hey, as long as it's not hurting the american economy.

What is "it" that you're refering to that is a global economy btw?

Again, not Walmart's fault that China offers cheap goods.

NUKE · « **Reply #204 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:31:11 PM »

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Yeah especially since they lost their job of 20 years because some company wanted to buy sweatshop production instead, and have to take a job at walmart.

I don't think Walmart forces anyone to work for them.

And if you have a job for 20 years and can only qualify for a job at Walmart, you have just wasted about 20 years of your life.

Suave · « **Reply #205 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:54:48 PM »

Again you're stuck on the "if they don't like the wages they don't have to work for wal-mart".

Man Nuke, you either understand it but can't admit it. Or you don't get it.

No, sweat shops and prison labor camps are not wal-mart's fault.

Taking tens of thousands of jobs from americans and contributing to the decline of the standard of living by forcing the manufacturing sector to compete with sweat shop labor is their fault.

Replacing paid labor with sweatshop and prison labor is not good for an economy.

The owners of wal-mart are profiting by driving down wage standards, government subsidized employee pool, and utilizing sweatshop and slave labor.

[sarcasm]Clearly ethical. And beneficial for everyone.[/sarcasm]

Toad · « **Reply #206 on:** February 12, 2005, 07:06:15 PM »

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Again, not Walmart's fault that China offers cheap goods.

Nuke, that is just one of the statements that shows you have no clue how Walmart operates.

None. As in clueless.

And it's not like the links haven't been posted for you.

NUKE · « **Reply #207 on:** February 12, 2005, 07:16:39 PM »

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The owners of wal-mart are profiting by driving down wage standards, government subsidized employee pool, and utilizing sweatshop and slave labor.

[sarcasm]Clearly ethical. And beneficial for everyone.[/sarcasm]

How is Walmart driving down wage standards? Has the wage paid to a standard store clerk or stckboy been lowered because of Walmart?

I'd say no. Before Walmart, did store clerks and stockboys make a lot more money than they do now?

NUKE · « **Reply #208 on:** February 12, 2005, 07:19:00 PM »

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Nuke, that is just one of the statements that shows you have no clue how Walmart operates.

None. As in clueless.

And it's not like the links haven't been posted for you.

Toad, tell me what your solution is. You say it's basically Walmart that is ruining the US. I'd say that's a laughable statement.

Even so, what is your solution to the Walmart "problem" ?????

oboe · « **Reply #209 on:** February 12, 2005, 07:19:15 PM »

I've read all these posts, and if NUKE is reading them, it appears that nothing that contradicts his predetermined view sinks in.

The one thing I will say in Walmart's defense is, what they are doing is not illegal, right? But certainly unethical, and certainly harming the economic futures of millions of US citizens. So bully for them. If it wasn't them doing it, it'd be some one else. Perhaps the problem is not their behavior, but the fact the we ALLOW their behavior?