This will allow Hizb'Allah to continue to collect money as a charity in Europe,

[Siaf__csf]

Staga the point being that that picture and this rhetoric really does not belong here this a GAMING BBs it is meant to be fun.

If that was the case then this whole topic shouldn't exist here. It's only when things turn bad against YOU that it starts to bother you, instead of just puking on others from your moral high standpoint.

Damn Jews. How dare they defend themselves. They should just lay down and let themselves be killed and be done with it, so Staga and his ilk can find someone else to hate.

Aaand que the victim card. Just in time.

It is extremely hard to justify bulldozing occupied civillian buildings, what ever was the reason. How about bulldozing that naive american girl some time back? She was guilty only to stupidity when she thought the bulldozer driver would actually care if he ran over an american 20-year old beautiful girl standing in front of him in clear daylight.

What they do down there is wrong. There's no way around it.

I've always thought that the whole deal of putting up Israel was an extreme error from the international community. Nothing but bloodshed and violence has resulted from that. Wars after wars, murder of innocent civillians (both Israeli and x country) etc. Total insanity the whole thing.

But as it is too late to reverse the process, why can't they just declare a border on the west strip, start regular border control, expell every possible palestinian that could cause trouble and get over with it? Instead of bulldozing them to the ground and causing more fear and hate.

It's like they would have an open inflammated wound on thier leg and they would keep digging it with a knife instead of trying to clean the wound and putting a band-aid on it.

*Ouch!* .. Bad BAD WOUND! *Stab stab* THERE!...  *OOOUCH* Repeat and rinse.

[wulfie]

Originally posted by Thrawn
And here I thought Boston was in the US.

And here I thought that some scummy Americans doing something that I think they should be in jail for would still make it possible for other Americans to voice their disapproval of other terrorist organizations.

Being the Devil's Advocate certainly has its moments, but you have to agree that Staga's reasoning makes him look like a complete and total idiot.

American AH BBS poster (who has never said anything in support of the IRA): "This terrorist group should not be allowed to receive funding".

Staga (being missed desperately in a small village somewhere in Finland): "Oh yeah? Well 2 or 3 decades ago some Americans in the Northeastern U.S. gave money to the IRA! How dare you denounce Hizb'Allah!".

Yeah, can't speak out against suicide bombing terrorists unless you come from a Nation that has never done anything morally questionable. Okay. No one can speak against anything. End of the O'Club.

Mike/wulfie

[Siaf__csf]

He was only protesting your double standard wulfie.

[wombatt]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
If that was the case then this whole topic shouldn't exist here. It's only when things turn bad against YOU that it starts to bother you, instead of just puking on others from your moral high standpoint.

 

Aaand que the victim card. Just in time.

It is extremely hard to justify bulldozing occupied civillian buildings, what ever was the reason. How about bulldozing that naive american girl some time back? She was guilty only to stupidity when she thought the bulldozer driver would actually care if he ran over an american 20-year old beautiful girl standing in front of him in clear daylight.

What they do down there is wrong. There's no way around it.

I've always thought that the whole deal of putting up Israel was an extreme error from the international community. Nothing but bloodshed and violence has resulted from that. Wars after wars, murder of innocent civillians (both Israeli and x country) etc. Total insanity the whole thing.

But as it is too late to reverse the process, why can't they just declare a border on the west strip, start regular border control, expell every possible palestinian that could cause trouble and get over with it? Instead of bulldozing them to the ground and causing more fear and hate.

It's like they would have an open inflammated wound on thier leg and they would keep digging it with a knife instead of trying to clean the wound and putting a band-aid on it.

Ok then name one part of this thread that serves any purpose than to incite people deep seating feeling on what is a hot bed of controversy?

And I can never see where the pictures of dead mangles kids serves any purpose as In entertainment of a computer flight sim!

You euros seem to relish in bashing American foreign policy.
Hey guess what we AMERICANS bash it enough that you we really don't need nor want you're advice on how the run the richest most powerful country on earth.
I think we have done just fine thank you very much.

Now my grief is not with the political content of the thread my grip
is simply with the discussion picture that was posted.

If It Is against HTC policy to post pictures of the nude female breast (which in my opinion Is one of God's greatest creations).
Then surely the posting of a mangled dead child should go against the rules as well.

[wulfie]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Jenin! Jenin! Jenin! Oh wait it never happened!

Yes, everyone knows, especially you, that buildings are bulldozed based on blindfolded dart throwing games that take place amongst the IDF officers.

2 Facts:

1. Israeli civilians are intentionally targeted by various terrorist organizations that people like you somehow manage to find legitimate.

2. If the IDF was as hell-bent to kill Palestinian civilians as people like you claim they are, the losses amongst the Palestinian civilians would be much greater.

I won't get into a debate over the creation of Israel. It's here, and it's here to stay, much to the chagrin of a bunch of antisemetic arabs who got taught a lesson in what tough really is a few times.

I will say that I believe that if the enemies of Israel had the same superiority of firepower over Israel that Israel has over the Palestinians, Israel would be gone tomorrow.

"But as it is too late to reverse the process, why can't they just declare a border on the west strip, start regular border control, expell every possible palestinian that could cause trouble and get over with it? Instead of bulldozing them to the ground and causing more fear and hate."

Call the IDF and tell them of your special secret technique to detect "every possible palestinian that could cause trouble"? I'm sure they'd be more than eager to speak with you.

I'm sorry, but when the new leader of the Palestinian people declares that a group should be delisted to prevent it from funding terrorists bent on the murder of Israelis, even terrorist apologists like yourselves should take a step back and actually think about the gravity of such a statement.

Mike/wulfie

[wulfie]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
He was only protesting your double standard wulfie.

That's why he posted before I ever posted in the thread?

I admit it, your reasoning and intellect are far beyond my simple powers of comprehension. Keep me posted on the IDF's application of your "Possible Palestinian Troublemaker Detector".

Mike/wulfie

[wulfie]

Originally posted by wombatt
You euros

You shouldn't say that. There are plenty of Europeans risking life and limb to kill arabic and/or islamic terrorists. The 'euro' posters on this BBS have nothing in common with them except the Nation they call home.

Using a lable like 'you euros' is stooping to the level of the people you are annoyed by in this case.

Think of the 'euros' that annoy you as their version of our 'Hollywood Elite'. I can't stand it when people equate the opinoins of Barbara Streisand with the opinions of every American. Along those lines a lot of the European military personel I have worked with have been embarrased by the public sentiments of their more visible and mentally unstable countrymen.

Mike/wulfie

[Staga]

If the pic would be about Israelis pulling a children out from bus some terrorist just blew up would it bother you as much as that one?


Wulfie wrote:

I hate to break it to you, but there's only one 'side' down there that deliberately targets civilians, and it's your side pal. If your heroes choose to launch bullets and rockets from behind the people they are supposedly fighting for (another big lie, swallowed whole by you, like some other things no doubt) then you should try to place the blame accurately.

Maybe my english isn't as good as it could be but I still think I made my stance quite clear when I wrote "Nobody's innocent in middle east".
Of course it's easier for you to say terrorists are my "heroes" and belittle me... It's all up to you.

[wulfie]

Originally posted by Staga
If the pic would be about Israelis pulling a children out from bus some terrorist just blew up would it bother you as much as that one?

The picture didn't bother me. You're thinking of someone else. To answer anyways, I can empathize with all children caught in a war regardless of Nationality.

But you have to ask yourself - if one group of guys sets up a sniper team in an apartment surrounded by apartments occupied by 'their' civilians, and the return fire causes some of 'their civilians' to be killed...who is more responsible for the deaths of those civilians?

Sure, they could evacuate the building. But then the IDF might detect such activity and be prepared for an attack.

The terrorists attacking Israel don't give a damn about the Palestinian people. They are out to kill Jews and that's all they care about. Maybe now that the leader of the Palestinians isn't a potato to these very same terrorists, the Palestinian people won't be caught in the middle. One can hope.

But to expect IDF soldiers to not take action when their people are about to be attacked or are being attacked is to expect the impossble. Nobody may have spotless hands, but almost everyone's are a whole lot cleaner than those of the various groups out to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Your comment about the IDF 'merrily' killing Palestinian civilians shows you are a liar or are seriously misinformed.

Mike/wulfie

[Lazerus]

And England belongs in Ireland for what reason??


The last bastion of English colonialism. Give it up.

On the other hand, the IRA is a terrorist organization. There actions cannot be excused.

I see both sides. What I don't undersatnd is why England is there, or why she insists on staying.

Can a couple of our friends from that side of 'the pond' explain to me why?

Why is England there?

Why should they be there?

Why can't the IRA resolve its' issues peacefully?

Why can't the people of Ireland decide for themselves if they want to be a subject of England, or their own country. ( I've seen the results of a few votes)

It's just a damn bloody mess over there. Personaly, I think there's just too much emotion to ever solve it rationaly. I hope I'm just on the wrong side of the black and tan (guinness and bass) tonight and talking out of my ass. I would like to hear from some of you guys over there that have more of a stake in it than I do.  

A posting contest is not what I want, I'm not trying to create an argument between our Irish and English posters. I just want some personal perspectives from some of the people that have a stake in the situation.


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Someone said Dutch too, but I'm waiting for the proof:p

[Siaf__csf]

Keep me posted on the IDF's application of your "Possible Palestinian Troublemaker Detector".

That means booting every palestinian that isn't tied to the Israeli society by marriage or such. Forming of independent Palestinian state and keeping them behind the border.

It's 100% sure a better solution than forming continuously new colonies next to Palestinians, getting attacked and then retaliate.

The neverending cycle of violence has to be stopped. I really don't give a rats bellybutton if they genocide the whole bunch. Go ahead.

Just make the endless fighting and suffering end. Live like normal people for christs sakes!

That's why he posted before I ever posted in the thread?

FYI 'you' was being used in the general sense, meaning the double standard of your nation, not you personally. But.. I guess you missed that in spite of the fact that you didn't post before his reply.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
meaning the double standard of your nation

What double standard are you refering to?

[Siaf__csf]

Yikes.. Do you really have to have it spelled out for you?

This thread was accusing euros of letting a terrorist group to raise funds in europe as charity.

You were pointed that you let the same thing happen on US soil. Hence double standard. I was partly wrong to use the word 'your nation' but it's 100% as accurate as saying 'you euros' so here I go.

I won't even go into details with CIA helping the mujahadeens etc.

[Lazerus]

So you equate OBL and his ilk(his ilk being Hammas et al) with the Irish people that want their country back?

The same could be said about the founders of my country.


Or do you equate them with the Israeli people?

All I'm asking for is an explanation of your position. You can generalize everything to include whatever you want. State what you believe.

[Siaf__csf]

I believe that you should get off your high horse and stop accusing others of the thing you do yourselves.

That's what I believe.

If this thread was made in a constructive manner it would be a totally different ballgame. One can question the reasoning behind Chirac's stance but on the other hand banning a political faction of another country is also questionable.

The whole issue here is mostly anger from the fact that the EU refuses to do whatever Israel demands it to do.

I believe that all terror related organizations should be put out of function immediately and the government forces that secretly support them should be put in a trial.

I also believe that the actions done by the Israeli government that have lead to the deaths of bystanders should also be investigated and the guilty parties put to trial for thier crimes.

As long as people continue to get scott free for crimes committed on whatever pretense, things will continue as they were and we will have to continue to read news about killings here and there, pain and suffering not to mention people who actually have to live in those conditions.

I say form a real border between the palestinians and the Israelis and get over with it.

So you equate OBL and his ilk(his ilk being Hammas et al) with the Irish people that want their country back?

They both use the same means for thier goals. Terror is terror, unfortunately.

I really don't know how the Irish live today but I suspect the English government is not oppressive on them. As far as I know the Irish live a regular life if you count out the war on terror.  As long as there won't be a full blown war in order to take Ireland back, all that is left is politics really. Terror attacks are causing more trouble than good for anyones cause.

Is there anything (and I mean anything) positive the IRA has achieved in all these years of violence?