Author Topic: We need a change (Read 4067 times)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:30:23 PM »

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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
shouldn't even need a poll for this one. it's a dead lock in the "yes" column...

i propose that all La-7's should be forced to tow this banner:

Most excellent.

Zaphod · « **Reply #61 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:40:10 PM »

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Originally posted by FX1
Willbus have you been Ho'ed this camp? Have you had the chance to avoid every last single ho? I dont think their is a super player in main that can avoid every ho. If you can avoid it everytime then why have it? Levi was correct with his point about the 110 our il2 they should be allowed to ho.

I myself have pledge never to HO from this day on!
Only return a HO if Ho'ed after merge.

BTW i will Ho a 262, rules go out the door when someone is in a jet.

FX....that really makes little sense if you think about it. Why would you allow some planes to HO and others to not HO? Why only HO jets...your'e trying to HO a plane with 4 30mm cannons.

They really aren't that difficult to avoid by the way. There are several methods that allow you to avoid the HO and gain angles on the merge right up front in the fight. Usually these methods work, sometimes they don't....it's part of the game.

I for one don't HO on the merge because if I can set a shot up, so can the other guy....and I'm low in the gunnery skills dept. However if I am in a multiplane engagement with bad guys all over me, watch for that HO shot from me....It's a last ditch effort to stay alive and really adds to the excitement. It's also nice to know, especially in those situations that if you put bullets on a plane....they hit it.

The AW model was goofy...it was random which meant that skill had little to do with who got the hits in on the HO shot. In addition... many folks took it, you just didn't take hits very often. There was little risk (because it was random) and you might get lucky and get a hit as you flew through the other guys plane.

AW was a great game during it's time, I played it for years. However AH is several generations advanced from AW and is also a great game. Just because AH is different from AW doesn't mean it's broke. It's just harder, more fun, with more fun ways to kill and be killed.

Zaphod

SlapShot · « **Reply #62 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:51:11 PM »

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Originally posted by FX1
Willbus have you been Ho'ed this camp? Have you had the chance to avoid every last single ho? I dont think their is a super player in main that can avoid every ho. If you can avoid it everytime then why have it? Levi was correct with his point about the 110 our il2 they should be allowed to ho.

I myself have pledge never to HO from this day on!
Only return a HO if Ho'ed after merge.

BTW i will Ho a 262, rules go out the door when someone is in a jet.

If it is just me and another guy, I can avoid the HO everytime. If I am in the core of a furball ... its almost impossible to avoid getting caught by a HO. Too many planes, too many angles ... someone is gonna end up nose to nose with you. If you have the speed, chances are you can avoid the HO ... too slow ... nothing you can do except try to beat him to the punch.

Your to wishy-washy with HOs in this post.

You pledge to NEVER HO FROM THIS DAY ON !

except for this ... and that ... and maybe this ... and sometimes that.

Either your not going to HO or you are going to HO and from what you have said here ... you are an HOer and will still practice the art of HOing. With that, your initial post in this thread is null and void ...

I guess Hitech will not address the issue but what is the bbs good for.

He did address the issue ... it was quite clear to me that he will not be doing anything about it for the reasons and example that he stated.

FX1 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:55:07 PM »

Yes AH is harder, more fun well we will see. AH does have a nasty learning curve, 2 weeks just doesnt do it for a neewb. I have respect for the game and most of the players in it. My roomie tried it out when i was away on a trip and his words were "i could get off the ground and fly around but everyone shot me down while they were in front of me" he will not play the game no matter what i tell him. LOL all because he got ho'ed 100 times his first week.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #64 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:57:40 PM »

I take back everything I've said regarding community, virtual sportsmanship, or newbs learning the game. It seems far simpler than that.

The better your position in a fight is, the more likely you'll be HOed, or at least they'll try.

The longer you survive in a fight, the more likely you'll be HOed, or at least they'll try.

If you have the numerical advantage in a fight, the more likely you'll be HOed, or at least they'll try.

If you're the one outnumbered, there's more people trying for the kill, sooo... the more likely you'll be HOed, or at least they'll try.

People just get desparate for a kill, no matter how they get it. I have one simple rule, I'll try to avoid the first headon pass; if I take hits or hear guns chatter as they pass, all bets are off. I'm in a frickin' Hurricane, you don't want me to shoot you in the face!

There, I feel lots better.

Cheers,
hub

FX1 · « **Reply #65 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:02:33 PM »

Lets just say i will never HO you snapshot our other people that i respect. If it part of the game and everyone just live with it i will. The more i think about it the more it makes me mad. Also i need to understand its war! I wish we could have a check HO lol

FX1 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:06:13 PM »

Hub is nasty with the ho. Many night on vox he will say "that guy just tried to ho me" and within 10 sec that guy was dead because of hub's ho.

dedalos · « **Reply #67 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:10:29 PM »

You know what is funny about the HO posts?

No matter how you tell people that you are not talking about HOs on a merge but about a third or fourth or fifth guy coming into an existing 1 on 1 fight, there is always some one that will explain to you how to a void the HO on the merge and how it is your fault for letting it happen. Some will go as far as asking you to expose your self to a deflection shot instead of avoiding the HO, because if you do, it is not a HO any more.

dedalos · « **Reply #68 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:14:26 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I'm in a frickin' Hurricane, you don't want me to shoot you in the face!
hub

That's HUB for you. Talking about sportsmanship and there he is telling people he would rather shoot them in the back

he he

FX1 · « **Reply #69 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:21:50 PM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
You know what is funny about the HO posts?

No matter how you tell people that you are not talking about HOs on a merge but about a third or fourth or fifth guy coming into an existing 1 on 1 fight, there is always some one that will explain to you how to a void the HO on the merge and how it is your fault for letting it happen. Some will go as far as asking you to expose your self to a deflection shot instead of avoiding the HO, because if you do, it is not a HO any more.

I like that post

BigB717 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:32:24 PM »

takes a lot to make me post somthing...

but this thred is rediculous lmao....

*If you knew how to avoid the dweebs, the hos, and merge correctly, this post would never be here.

*HTC know what hes talking about.

*Yes once in a while i get hoed, and once in a while u get a pilot shot from another guy bnzing while your in a df, but it is not even close to 80% of the time. If it is, you need to learn better tactics/acms.

Perioid.

P.S. I was a newbie once, and was stuborn to learn new things, always thought i was the best, lol, just listen to what others have to say and u will become better pilot.

BigB717 · « **Reply #71 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:36:01 PM »

hub...

dedalos · « **Reply #72 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:41:12 PM »

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Originally posted by BigB717
*If you knew how to avoid the dweebs, the hos, and merge correctly, this post would never be here.

What he said, lol

hubsonfire · « **Reply #73 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:44:22 PM »

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Originally posted by FX1
Hub is nasty with the ho. Many night on vox he will say "that guy just tried to ho me" and within 10 sec that guy was dead because of hub's ho.

If you didn't film it, it never happened. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

FiLtH · « **Reply #74 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:50:53 PM »

I played Aw so Im tainted...but using that as an example, where the HO % was very low, only P38s really had a chance at them, I think that if they were to turn down the HO percentage you would see just how many rely on them.

When I came here I played like I did in AW, never bothering with the HO, and trying to get in position for the merge. The opponent would most always press the HO and hit me. This happened alot. If I survived, he almost always was in bad position to continue the fight, and ended up dead.

But its very easy to hit headon, and chances are you will die or be in poor shape to continue. If headon shots were lowered, all the BnZ guys as in AW, would be PO'd. Even in a 4 on 1 you could simple time his attack and put your nose to his until he passed, and quickly resume fighting the other guys.

Alot of people in here will never be geat at dogfighting, but are happy with the chance to get their guns on target anyway they can, even if it means headons. Without it, I think you may wittle down the player base to those who attend KOTH, and other dogfighting events.

The average player would find himself behind the 8-ball, and would tire of dying often and probably would quit.