Please unperk the Spit14, F4U-4, Tempest5 and the Ta152H

[Steve]

Kweassa's agenda seems well hidden from many.  What it really comes down to is that his beloved Ki is not as fast in AHII as he wants it to be.  Were it as fast, he wouldn't bother posting this whiny drivel.  Kweassa, were it as fast, it would be uber as you mentioned, so everyone would be in it instead of La7's.  What's the difference?  SOME plane has to be the fastest.

I have an idea you are sure to like:
 Why not limit the plane set to just ONE plane?  This way the arena would be balanced like you want and no plane woul dhave the advantage.

Fly the fastest plane they like, either the "Allied" type, or the "Luftwaffe" alternative. And fly around for long. These people don't die much, but as "timid" as they are, they also don't get much kills.

I fly a 51, die plenty, and when I'm not rusty from a 9 month layoff my  kills per hour is as good more than 90% of the folks in the MA.  In conclusion, your conclusions are full of baloney.

[bustr]

I've seen some of HiTech's responces for why he won't do an RPS and why he likes the perk system where it's at now. Have any of you asked him if he would be willing to announce a limited time experiment of say 2 days out of one tour where he turns off the perk system for one night each. Advertise it so everyone can make plans to show up, and see how the prognosticators of its effects fair on their predictions?

Two nights would be kinda limited. It would have more of a party atmoshphere but, you would have feed back(screaming) on the BB afterward to villify or validate some of your assertions.

[Kweassa]

It's like this Slap.

 There's this patient with a huge wierd open wound that doesn't seem to be particularly lethal, but stinks like rotting pork. The patient doesn't seem to be in any kind of real pain either. However, the smell is unbearable and everybody hates it so much that they cuzz and whine within two mile radius of him.

 So, I've suggested a pretty standard method of prescribing antibiotics and perhaps a few stimulants to help the wounds close.

 However, it wasn't until that moment that I found out that the patient and the people nearby actually likes the wound. I'm pretty sure the aide will make it go away, except nobody wants new flesh growing up.

 It was quite amazing experience - with the amount of whining going around about how things were so bad, how they wanted to quit living nearby that guy, and how every morning they meet starts with the same disgusting smell again and again.... one could have sworn that they hated the patient's wound and that smell.  

 Except, when somebody actually comes up with a possible treatment, they suddenly turn renegade and start to complain about how the doctors are ruining with their freedom of choice on what to smell. They want the smell to go away, without someone else stopping the smell artificially. It's like they are waiting for a medicine man to come by and suddenly make the smell go away one day.

 So, in that case, I figured I can open up the wound some more, so the smell would fill the entire neighborhood and soon, the "smelliness" would become the norm, and nobody would be complaining.
 
 ...

 So, change some words in the above story and you might actually grasp it.


ps) I never pissed and moaned about late-war planes themselves Slaps.

 I pissed and moaned about how only SOME of them are showing MASSIVE usage, while SOME of them were perked senseless. There's a big difference. I don't care about the planes. I care about how much of them are mixed up in the arena. My interest is in how balance can be achieved and how more planes can be used, not in a certain era of plane type.

 So, my heaven would be a  largely '43 environment mixed up with occasional '44 and '45 planes. But as long as people hate that, I figure a full '45  mix-up won't be bad. It's the "mix" I want, not the year numbers.

 At least, we have 3 more superplanes to choose from, don't we?


ps2) The MA is already hell. When you add "hell" to a "hell", it doesn't become "hell hell". It's still "hell". But at least, this hell's got more planes to choose from freely.

 

ps3) The jets or rockets need to be perked. But as for the props I say this and I'll say it again;


 It's either perk them all, or perk them none. If some planes are perked on grounds of balance or performance, then all of its peers should be perked along with them. If not, vice versa.

 Nothing justifies the Spit14, F4U-4, Ta152H-1 being perked so high when the other late-war planes go scot-free to be indulged.

[Elfie]

Reset perks each tour.....

No thanks. I have been saving perks for well over a year and a half for so I can go on a major 262 spree, or a Tempest spree. At this point I have over 16,600 fighter perks. When I hit 20,000 the fun begins!

I have flown a Hurricane IIC for along time specifically for farming perks. I could care less what plane I am up against, those quad Hispano's decimate all planes equally, without prejudice.

[Kweassa]

Kweassa's agenda seems well hidden from many. What it really comes down to is that his beloved Ki is not as fast in AHII as he wants it to be. Were it as fast, he wouldn't bother posting this whiny drivel. Kweassa, were it as fast, it would be uber as you mentioned, so everyone would be in it instead of La7's. What's the difference? SOME plane has to be the fastest.

 *Sigh* Read the post again Steve.

 The Ki-84 was used as an example(I admit a long-winded one, yes) to show that a balanced plane with many mix of good traits just doesn't cut it out in the MA, and most people will prefer either one of extremes. How in the world did you read it as a Ki-84 agenda? I'm one of the guys that support our Ki-84 as opposed to some who want to see it flying at 427mph at alt and 360mph at deck.. remember?

I have an idea you are sure to like:
Why not limit the plane set to just ONE plane? This way the arena would be balanced like you want and no plane woul dhave the advantage.

 Mix-up Steve, "mix-up".

 I'm looking for a way to mix more flavors into the bowl without a certain ingredient sticking up to distinctly. This bowl we call "MA", has too much spice in it I thought.
 
 So my initial idea was to bland it out a little. But people didn't like the fact that I was suggesting to "limit" some kinds of spice.

 So, then another way of getting the "mix-up", is putting in other kinds of spice of the same level, so it would be spicey all around.

 As it is, there are five main kinds of spices which are used, but another 3~5 spices that are held back for the reason that "if we add this, it becomes to spicey".

 The problem is, the spice we have in the bowl is already whoopee too spicey so "too much spiciness is not good" arguments are illogical already. It's already damn spicey!

 In that case, when you're a cook, the other alternative to kill that too much spiciness, without actually removing any spices, is to put more different spices in it so the certain group of spices that stuck out are relatively neutralized.


 I wanted a '43-ish mix up arena. People don't like limitations to their planes.

 So, I now want to unleash the perked, to act as counters for the havoc the late-war rides are wrecking, by giving them even more competition on their own level.

 It's the mix-up I want Steve, the mix-up.

[Steve]

Well, with that logic in mind, couldn't one argue that the hellcat is a comparably balanced plane, top end aside?

[BlauK]

Originally posted by nopoop
But 9 out of 10 players don't fly a La7. Not even close.

The RPS will put a whole lot more butts in the "plane of the day". That's how it works.

Early war in a RPS it would be more like 3.

That's not variety.

And 9 out of 10 would not fly 109F-4.. not even close

It is all about how the sets are built. If there are not enough early birds for a set, start somewhere in between of early and middle... heck go directly for middle if that suits you better. Anything to make a change and give some chances and use for earlier planes as well!!!

[Kweassa]

Yes!

 But does the Hellcat get 10% of kills?

 ......

 60+ planes in the plane set.

 4~5 planes get total 50% of usage, each of those plane at 10% level. All of the rest 55~56 planes each get around 2%~3%.. some close to none... which totals up to the other half.

 So at first, I wanted to kill that 50% usage of 5 planes by perking them, so they would come down to 4~5% each, and the reduced percentage would shift over and spread to previously unused plaens.

 But, people hated perks implemented on their planes.  

 So, now I want to unperk the 3~4 perked prop planes, so its 8 planes getting 50% instead of 5 planes getting 50%.

[AKFokerFoder+]

When the C Hog was perked, it was one of the fastest planes in the arena.  There were no LGay7's, Doras, G10's etc.  You could run like a scalded dog, with only the Runstang to worry about.  The Typhie could be outmanueverd, if you flew the C Hog well, and a lot of people did.

The 20mm's made mincemeat out of a Panzer, one pass, one pop.

There were no Flack Panzies.

The Pony D was the LA7 of it's day. And the C Hog was extremely competative, that was why it was so popluar.

The arena has changed.  You now have G10's, Doras, LA7's and Pony's, Spit 14's,  Ki84's, these are all in plenty and will run you down, outclimb you, most will out turn you, they make you turn and bleed speed, and then get gang raped.  

The Panzers now laugh at Hizooka's (as they should), Flack Panzies are gonna blow you out of the sky.

There is no longer a reason to perk the C Hog past maybe 2 points, if at all.  Maybe just for tradition?  They were once a terror, now they are except for the hizzooka's only average.

The F4U-4 would be more popular if it were unperked, as it would be quite competative.  But it still won't be as good as the LA7 by any means.  Again we may see more Hogs in the arena, is that bad per se?  You will IMHO not see the usage reach 20%, not even reach the usage of the LA7 or the Spitties, they probably reach 25+% for the Spit5 and Spit9 combined.  No one wants to perk the Spits, and for good reason.

As for perking the TA152, well it is just rediculous, the usage would only rise slightly.  It really isn't a MA ride, sure there are always a few that will tear up thing with it, but most can't use it to it's advantage. I think is is a good thing be add more diversity to the plane set usage.  

The Tempest is a real monster, you have to perk that one.

Any change in the perk system if any should add more freedom and choice, not more restrictions.

I would say that we only perk the Tempest and the Jets.

[MANDO]

Kweassa, the La7 is not a monster due its top speed, but because its acceleration.

Lets compare your list of planes. All 50% of fuel and near sea level. The test is done taking off, leveling at 100 or 200 feet and taking time from WEP ON (just taking off) till 350mph.

Tempest 1:20 (387 mph top speed)
La7 (2x20mm) 1:25 (380 mph top speed)
109G10 (1x20mm) 1:36 (366 mph top speed)
190D9 1:41  (375 mph top speed)
Typhoon 1:49  (370 mph top speed)
P51D 2:07 (367 mph top speed)

As you can see, only Tempest in on the same league than La7 at low alts.

[SlapShot]

Kwe ...

You are ... prescribing antibiotics and perhaps a few stimulants to help the wounds close. ... you think !!! Do you have concrete evidence that your witch-doctoring will help or hinder ?

Except, when somebody actually comes up with a possible treatment, they suddenly turn renegade and start to complain about how the doctors are ruining with their freedom of choice on what to smell.

As far as I am concerned ... your treatment ... lends itself to making the wound stink even more. Again ... you have no research or data to back up your Rx and witch-doctor oils. Total assumption on your part without looking at the big/total picture.

My interest is in how balance can be achieved and how more planes can be used, not in a certain era of plane type.

If that is your ultimate outcome, then I stand by what I said before ... you have not completely thought this out to its final conclusion(s) which makes it completely flawed.

At least, we have 3 more superplanes to choose from, don't we?

This may balance out the array of superplanes, but will totally destroy other planes and their usuage ... particularly the early war rides.

ps2) The MA is already hell. When you add "hell" to a "hell", it doesn't become "hell hell". It's still "hell". But at least, this hell's got more planes to choose from freely.

Wrong ... you cant add something to something else without an increase. If you have 5 lbs of watermelon and I give you another 5 lbs of watermelon you now have more watermelon than you started with and it stinks twice as bad.

I watched "Constantine" last night and I want NO PART of hell ... especially hell hell.

You must stop practicing and manufacturing medicine without the appropriate licences.

Again .. you threw something against the wall ... thought it looked good, brought it to the table without real thought or consideration of ALL the consequences that may result.

Your logic is totally flawed ... try again.

[Elfie]

When the C Hog was perked, it was one of the fastest planes in the arena. There were no LGay7's, Doras, G10's etc. You could run like a scalded dog, with only the Runstang to worry about. The Typhie could be outmanueverd, if you flew the C Hog well, and a lot of people did.

The Chog got perked not long after I started playing AH. We already had the 190D-9, 109G-10, and the La-Cheesy-7. HTC added 800 lbs of wieght to the Chog after it was perked I think, that reduced its performance a bit. I think one of the reasons the Chog was perked was because of its quad hispanos and huge ammo load.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Yes!

 But does the Hellcat get 10% of kills?

 ......

 60+ planes in the plane set.

 4~5 planes get total 50% of usage, each of those plane at 10% level. All of the rest 55~56 planes each get around 2%~3%.. some close to none... which totals up to the other half.

 So at first, I wanted to kill that 50% usage of 5 planes by perking them, so they would come down to 4~5% each, and the reduced percentage would shift over and spread to previously unused plaens.

 But, people hated perks implemented on their planes.  

 So, now I want to unperk the 3~4 perked prop planes, so its 8 planes getting 50% instead of 5 planes getting 50%.

This is where you are SO TOTALLY FLAWED in your logic.

Let those other monster loose and you will see ...

8 planes getting 75%-80% (if not higher) of all the kills, which in turn would lower the early war planes percentage to practically nil.

Why do you think for one second that if you unleash these other planes, the kill percentage would remain at 50%.

For the life of me, I can't understand why that just doesn't jump right off the page and smack you in the mouth.

[straffo]

Originally posted by bustr
Have one night a week with nothing perked. Be a nice change and it would be infrequent enough that people would look forward to it.

During the last time of AH2 beta the perk plane were free ... I never killed so many tempest in my Typhoon/A8 .


My proposal would be :

• Each tour is started with 100 perks (for example value have to fine tuned)
• the late war monster are extremly expensive at the beginning of the tour

and become less and less expensive to be very cheap at the end of the tour.
Just to make early war plane used .

• at the end of the tour all the accumulated perk point are lost

but well ... it could be an extremly bad idea

[tikky]

"unperk Ta-152"

ARE YOU ****ING OUT OF YOUR MIND?????????????????????????????????????????????????

TA IS THE RAREST OF ALL WHITE ELEPHANTS AND SHOULD STAY THAT WAY.... so as the chog

if HTC does not want to perk the top non-perk rides, they should unperk spit 14  (because it gives a competitive ride against the dweeeeeebstang and dweeb-0-9s, ect ect) and give discount price on F4U-4 and temps