Please unperk the Spit14, F4U-4, Tempest5 and the Ta152H

[Soda]

I think everyone is missing the point though.  We can't just sit and compare plane X with Y, in AH the "average" bar is set currently at the La7/P-51D/190D9/etc level.  There is a set of 5% of the aircraft that are perked that are marginally better than "Average", the 5% in this "average" group, and 90% that are below average, some significantly.  The typical AH player is no ace and can't rely solely on skill/ability to get a kill, he has to pull in situation, altitude and aircraft performance considerations, thus he will pick at least the "Average" aircraft so as not to penalize himself.  It's also why some new aircraft, unless shown clearly superior in ability to this "average" that's been set, won't ever really see any significant use in the game.  There will always be guys looking to try some other ride out, those with some personal historical significance, or those who really want some extra challenge who will fly other rides, but the typical player would simply be putting themselves behind the 8-ball in doing that.  Even of the players acknowledged as "good", many of them still fly one of the top aircraft most of the time.

The only way to change that is to lower the bar on average and unless HT/Pyro make an effort to do that then the situation is unlikely to change in the MA.  It's shame though, there are so many aircraft with so much character that simply aren't that competitive in the game but would be an absolute blast if they were.  It wouldn't have to cripple the game to lower the bar, the C-Hog experience showed how a low-cost perk both balanced usage but left an aircraft accessible to typical players (the C-Hog still gets good kill totals and deaths each month, risking the 8 perk points isn't really an issue for anyone).  It would mean that a lot of players who rely on the uber-late-war-rides would find themselves out of their primary/secondary rides though and that's unlikely to be popular.  All it takes is the current side-balancer to see what happens when a bunch of guys who don't know anything but these top couple of aircraft get stuck in 190A5's or 109G2's, it's not pretty.

-Soda

[Morpheus]

You want to force the MA to be the Ideal you envision?

Thats all he's ever wanted to do.... Not just with this handsomehunk idea but with his "PERK IT ALL!!!!!!" idea too.

Perk this perk that, unperk it all except for tuesdays..... MA Game play my way...

[Pongo]

Im glad that Im not the only one that sees this whole thread for what it is. The war and peace version of

wah wah wah I coudnt catch an la7 on the deck..the game is fubar.

Please dont make the mistake of associating long winded with well thought out.

this is just a whine. Implementing it would just make the game worse. There is not a chance in hell of Pyro implementing it so we can just let kwassa publish his heart wrenching findings.

Sorry about the Spit XIV Karnak. Its a perk plane for sure. It just doesnt fit your style, you fly to stick your head in the hornets nest and doing that in a perk ride that isnt fast on the deck is suicide. It doenst make the plane less of a perk ride though.

[Soda]

Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I doubt that the C Hog would be that much more popular than the Typhie, it has the 4 Hispano package....

I suspect the additional ordinanance, dive performance, damage tolerance, combat flaps, roll-rate, CV capabilities and range might prove you wrong... oh, and 230 rounds/gun vs 140 rounds/gun.

But I might be wrong......

-Soda

[pellik]

Kweassa: I think the reason HT pays you no mind is that were getting closer to the release of TOD. He is about to take a serious stab at providing gameplay with controled balance and well thought out plane match-ups. If you want to see mid-war planes in action now you should write these bohemiath posts selling people on the CT, as the MA is pretty much designed to cater to the typical late war uberplane dweeb crowd anyway.

That said I think your light perk idea was great, and unperking these rides would be disasterous. The F4U-4 in the hands of an expert forcing overshoots with lag rolls and exploiting its awsome accelleration is just too much for the typical player to handle, where at least when they gang a 51 they can probably get the kill no matter who's in it.

-pellik

[BigGun]

Originally posted by Soda
oh, and 230 rounds/gun vs 140 rounds/gun.

But I might be wrong......

-Soda

Dang I have been getting ripped off all this time, I swear I only get 135 rounds/gun in typhooon!!!! Might be wrong though, don't pay that close attention to details, will have to look next time i get up.

[Steve]

So, now I want to unperk the 3~4 perked prop planes, so its 8 planes getting 50% instead of 5 planes getting 50%.

Kweassa, I understand what ends you are trying to achieve, I'm just not sure your methods would work.  Please understand I'm not saying your methods wouldn't work, I'm saying I don't know.

If it were a democracy, my vote would be "I don't care."


In other words, if  they  wanted to try your little experiment, go for it.  I almost never fly perkies and don't have a problem w/ those who do. I also don't care what people fly, I'll fight them all.*

* note: the author understands this does not mean he'd win   them all.

[Howitzer]

Originally posted by Soda
I suspect the additional ordinanance, dive performance, damage tolerance, combat flaps, roll-rate, CV capabilities and range might prove you wrong... oh, and 230 rounds/gun vs 140 rounds/gun.

But I might be wrong......

-Soda

Ahhh soda, you and your "facts" again... what do you know anyway?  Not like you made a webpage on the flight characteristics of every plane in the game or something like that  

I say perk the BKs!!!  Fricken n00bs!  

[Karnak]

Slapshot,

I'm not sure of that.  The people who fly the rarer birds are already outclassed everytime they lift.  Do you think it matters to a newbie in a P-38G that the fighter he can't shake and cant run from is a Spitfire Mk XIV or an La-7?

That said, I'm not very favorably inclined towards the "Unperk them all" position.  I'd lower the perk prices quite a bit, but I wouldn't unperk anything.  I'd actually add the three gun La-7 to the perk list, maybe the whole La-7, but that's it.


Pongo,

I'm planning on giving the XIV another go now that it only screams "kill me" at a 1000 yards and not 6000 yards.

[Pongo]

BTW.
I flew alot in one of HBlairs CT set ups where all the later planes where there but all later versions were perked.
Ie Jug d11 unperked all others perked same for Pony B, 109g6-g10 etc etc.
just a very light perk.
And it was excellent. But thats the CT.
They should really work on either having perk load outs on planes or dividing out the extra gun packages into seperate airframes. I think its way past time to do that.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Fruda
The F4U-4: Well well... This plane is in the same class as the vaunted P-51D Mustang. It does exceed it one area, though: It's just plain faster. The P-51D rolls, turns, and generally handles better. It also has greater range, as well as better ground attack capabilities. It's also a much more forgiving aircraft, and is far less stall-prone than the F4U-4. So why is this plane perked? If we're to have a perked Corsair, add the F4U-4C. Sure, it only entered service nearing the final weeks of the war, but it did see combat. If we're to get the F4U-4C, take the perk price off of the F4U-4 and make the -4C a ~15 perk point model.

You're kidding, right? Ever go 1 v 1, F4U-4 against the P-51D?  It's a mismatch. First, the F4U-4 outclimbs everything except the 109G-10, and isn't far behind it either. Second, no other single-engine fighter has a better flap system. It will eat P-51s alive in a stall fight. Roll is faster than the Mustang's as well. Acceleration? No contest, the F4U-4 simply checks out. Larger ammo loadout, same underwing loadout... I'm sorry, but the F4U-4 is a significantly better fighter than the P-51D, unless you need a long-range escort, which we don't need in AH2.

Better yet, go to the DA or TA and fly the F4U-4 against the Tempest... This isn't the old F4U-4 of AH1, this is a pure monster since the rework of its flight model in AH2. Flying the F4U-4 against the Tempest will reveal that the Tempest accelerates better and is faster on the deck... Go above 6k and things equalize. Go to 10k and the F4U-4 does everything better than the Tempest. If you try dogfighting with the F4U-4 and let speeds drop below 250 mph, your Tempest is in deep trouble.

Now, if we had the F4U-4B, with the four Hispanos, there would be no reason to ever spend a single perk on the Tempest.

What makes the Tempest great are the guns. What makes the F4U-4 great is its total performance. Best all around fighter to see combat in WWII. Even in Korea, it proved to be a better strike aircraft than the P-51D. F4U-4s were still in combat after the Mustangs were retired from front-line duty over Korea. Many of the -4s were simply worn out, being replaced by F4U-5s and AU-1s as they were retired.


My regards,

Widewing

[Redd]

Kweassa,

I liked your other idea better , some of those planes are just too good to be unperked.   (-4 and Tempest)


I would like to see them play with the perk system a little to see whether it would bring more variety.


What's wrong with trying - Change em at the start of every week or tour and see what shakes out - nothing has to be forever.

Could do it like this for example


The 39-41 Tour/Week

Everything after 41 perked - sliding scale

The 39-43 Tour/Week

Everything after 43 perked sliding scale


The  39-44.5 Tour/Week

Status quo


The 39-45 Tour/Week


Perk jets only



Has some of the aspects of the RPS (which I didn't like much) , but still leaving the ability to fly whatever you want - you just pay a couple of measly perks

[Fruda]

Okay then, I wasn't totally sure about the performance of the Uber Corsair.

I'd fly it more often, but the perk price is ridiculous! 80 perks for the F4U-4? Come on!

[Redd]

Originally posted by Fruda
Okay then, I wasn't totally sure about the performance of the Uber Corsair.

I'd fly it more often, but the perk price is ridiculous! 80 perks for the F4U-4? Come on!

it's only 30 now quite often - and it is  every bit as awesome as Widewing highlighted.

try it  - you won't be dissappointed.

It's only minor weakness is lack of cannon power.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Fruda
Okay then, I wasn't totally sure about the performance of the Uber Corsair.

I'd fly it more often, but the perk price is ridiculous! 80 perks for the F4U-4? Come on!

if you fly it and land safely you don't spend anything , it is just as free as any non-perked planes