Author Topic: Question to Finns (Read 29625 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #465 on:** March 17, 2005, 12:00:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Toad give up already; some people just aren't able to handle truth about their history.

Exactly. Denying genocide of Soviet population in Karelia, at the same time admitting it is a good example.

Now Finland refuses to pay compensations to Soviet prisoners who survived in concentration camps in Karelia. Very nice. Your whole "history" consists of denying obvious facts. Sorry.

mora · « **Reply #466 on:** March 17, 2005, 12:11:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Now Finland refuses to pay compensations to Soviet prisoners who survived in concentration camps in Karelia. Very nice. Your whole "history" consists of denying obvious facts. Sorry.

If we do will you give Carelia back to us?

Boroda · « **Reply #467 on:** March 17, 2005, 12:27:48 PM »

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Originally posted by mora
If we do will you give Carelia back to us?

Why should we? You pay compensations to victims of occupation - and we move border back to Sestroretsk? What for? Isn't is obvious that you have to pay compensations to people who barely avoided starvation in your "migrant camps"? Germany still pays compensations to prisoners of concentration camps, are you better only because you got beaten in 1944 and surrendered before Germany did?...

http://www.prokarelia.com ???

Remember a treaty signed in Helsinky in 1975? About borders in Europe?

I feel that Finns are sane people, very similar to us, and we can do together well, but - you can't get Karelian Isthmus in any way. It's our land. Damn, I spent my childhood summers in Privetnenskoye, at the place where the ruins of fort Ino are...

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #468 on:** March 17, 2005, 12:59:44 PM »

I think finland paid quite large sums of compensation to soviets after the war already. For a war it didn't even start.

I guess that's soviet definition of fairness. Goes right along with compensation for concentration camps that never existed.

Maybe if the soviets would compensate every finn who suffered/died in the gulags before/during/after the war with an equal sum, that would be a good idea.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #469 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:05:26 PM »

I have no idea why finns want carelia back anymore. It looks like the whole area is a total wastedump after the russians occupied it for a few decades.

It would require the total rebuild of the whole infrastructure and a renovation job parallel to ones usually done after a war.

Actually, according to procarelia, there has been no renovation after the war so it's long due.

mora · « **Reply #470 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:06:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
http://www.prokarelia.com ???

Remember a treaty signed in Helsinky in 1975? About borders in Europe?

I feel that Finns are sane people, very similar to us, and we can do together well, but - you can't get Karelian Isthmus in any way. It's our land. Damn, I spent my childhood summers in Privetnenskoye, at the place where the ruins of fort Ino are...

As far as I'm conserned you can keep that wasteland. The 1918-1939 border was mostly what it had been historically. You accepted the borders in 1918 and over 20 years later you got different thoughts, and stole a big chunk of land from us.

Even if your claims are true you shouldn't really expect anything from us.

Boroda · « **Reply #471 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:13:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I think finland paid quite large sums of compensation to soviets after the war already. For a war it didn't even start.

I guess that's soviet definition of fairness. Goes right along with compensation for concentration camps that never existed.

Maybe if the soviets would compensate every finn who suffered/died in the gulags before/during/after the war with an equal sum, that would be a good idea.

Germany does pay compensations to persons who suffered in concentration camps. It's different from reparations. Reparations were a payment for destroyed industry, burnt cities and similar things. Personal compensations are another thing.

Compensation to Finns who "who suffered/died in the gulags before/during/after the war" will be unnoticable even for Russian state budget. More money will be spent to find such Finns.

Siafka, sorry, I can't resist to post this image, in a hope that you'll print it and hang it on a wall above your display:

Boroda · « **Reply #472 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:19:39 PM »

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Originally posted by mora
As far as I'm conserned you can keep that wasteland. The 1918-1939 border was mostly what it had been historically. You accepted the borders in 1918 and over 20 years later you got different thoughts, and stole a big chunk of land from us.

Stole? Vyborgskiy uyezd was a part of Russian Empire before 1809. Who stole it - it's a big question.

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Originally posted by mora
Even if your claims are true you shouldn't really expect anything from us.

OK. So you deny genocide of Soviet population, at the same time openly admitting it. And you don't want to pay for your crimes. It's obvious - refusing to pay is a reasonable policy towards "asian barbarians on their shaggy mounts". A true civilized approach.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #473 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:21:34 PM »

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Compensation to Finns who "who suffered/died in the gulags before/during/after the war" will be unnoticable even for Russian state budget. More money will be spent to find such Finns.

There will probably be way more than similarly treated russians. To me it looks like another attempt to rob finnish property on the same excuse.

Do people demand reparations from store owners in your country if they have to go to jail after breaking in?

And sorry Boroda I won't hang that ugly thing anywhere.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #474 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:23:08 PM »

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Stole? Vyborgskiy uyezd was a part of Russian Empire before 1809. Who stole it - it's a big question.

It was not taken by force originally, that's clear as day. I guess that validates an attack and getting reparations for doing the attack afterwards.

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So you deny genocide of Soviet population

You're not genocided yet. I still hear whining.

Boroda · « **Reply #475 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:54:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
There will probably be way more than similarly treated russians. To me it looks like another attempt to rob finnish property on the same excuse.

Do people demand reparations from store owners in your country if they have to go to jail after breaking in?

Go buy a map. Look at where is Finland and where is Petrozavodsk, where they had five concentration camps.

Next time you'll say that German compensations to concentration camps prisoners are robbery. Especially if they are paid to Russians, they simply don't deserve it, but civilized Europeans are quite different.

Here it's like this: you make a crime - you pay for it, and it doesn't matter what nation you belong to, how much money you have or anything else. If it's a crime when Germans kill 6 millions Jews - then it's a crime when Finns kill Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars, Jews and other Soviet people, starving them in concentration camps only because they don't belong to Finno-Ugric nations. In Russian language it's called fascism. And the fact that they got kicked out of occupied lands and surrendered isn't an excuse for genocide. The very existance of Finland is nothing more then a sign of good will from Soviet side.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #476 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:57:42 PM »

Dont preach to me boy.

Russians started the war and nobody's yet seen any compensation for that or the casualties caused by your attack - or the material damages caused. Or warcrimes committed by your troops.

Untill those are fixed you are entitled to speak again, not a second before.

Just out of curiosity. If chechens managed to invade your country and take hold of a few hundred square kilometers of land and then your troops would recapture the land, would the chechen occupants be allowed to stay on the land?

Boroda · « **Reply #477 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:00:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
You're not genocided yet. I still hear whining.

Such phrases are a good motivation for keeping a tank as a traditional Russian transportation when travelling abroad.

Another silly little **** insisting on genocidig Russians as a nation... At the same time stating that we were "occupants" and "opressors". Fantastic.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #478 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:02:32 PM »

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Another silly little **** insisting on genocidig Russians as a nation...

Youre the one even mentioning the whole WORD. You're not genocided which is painfully obvious at this stage. In fact, nobody has ever even tried that if you count out Hitler.

There's only one place where those camps and so called genocide exists, fabricated lies.

Boroda · « **Reply #479 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:05:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Dont preach to me boy.

Russians started the war and nobody's yet seen any compensation for that or the casualties caused by your attack - or the material damages caused. Or warcrimes committed by your troops.

Untill those are fixed you are entitled to speak again, not a second before.

Finland surrendered in 1940 on pre-war Soviet conditions, recieving a compensation for Karelian Isthmus as it was offered by Soviet Union. It was a sign of good will, but nevertheless in 1941 Finland provided bases for nazis attacking USSR, invaded USSR, and genocided Soviet non-Finno-Ugric people in occiupied Soviet Karelia.

It's a fact. They got compensation for Karelian Isthmus in 1940, several times more land in Karelia, plus money for renting Hanko, and still attacked us in 1941. In 1944 they again became wise enough to surrender after a complete defeat, payed reparations for occupation, but didn't pay compensations to individuals who suffered in their "migrant camps".