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Offline Toad

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« Reply #510 on: March 19, 2005, 02:15:35 PM »
LOL.. yah, don't talk about it, try to change the subject to the suicide of civilians on Okinawa.

You know what was different about Oki? The Japanese weren't EXECUTED. The committed suicide.

Unlike say... the POLISH POWs AT KATYN, who were murdered.

Lie to yourselves all you like. Try to change the subject all you like. Drink yourselves into oblivion to try and hide from the truth that the rest of the world realized long ago.

But when you wonder why the entire rest of the world views the Soviets as barbarian conquerers, you really know WHY. You just can't handle admitting it.


You guys are funnier than the very best comedians.!

Buh-bye.
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« Reply #511 on: March 19, 2005, 04:48:58 PM »
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You know what was different about Oki? The Japanese weren't EXECUTED. The committed suicide.


But it was americans fault they committed suicide... :D
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« Reply #512 on: March 19, 2005, 09:46:27 PM »
Подробно о переговорах с финами до войны и про саму войну:
http://www.duel.ru/publish/duel_sb/glava03.html
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« Reply #513 on: March 20, 2005, 10:18:36 AM »
Guys, two questions to you:
1. How wide are walls in your house? (30cm-1m here)
2. How low temperature drops during winter? (we have ~ -25 Celcius this winter). Normal everyday temperature during winter? (~ -15 Celcius)

Try to understand "bad roads" phenomena...
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« Reply #514 on: March 20, 2005, 11:06:08 AM »
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LOL.. yah, don't talk about it, try to change the subject to the suicide of civilians on Okinawa.


It's you, who always changes any subject I am in to poor Poles in Katyn. Even here - I thought we were talking about Soviet civilians criminally held in Finnish forced-labour camps in occupied Soviet Karelia in 1941-44. Unlike the sad story of Polish prisoners - it's a proven, fact that only our Finnish friends deny.

Typical American policy: accuse all the rest of the things you always do.

BTW, I didn't think that revisionism in Finnish "history" came as far as denying Soviet compensations for Karelian Isthmus in 1940.
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« Reply #515 on: March 20, 2005, 11:27:23 AM »
I suspect the Soviet Stalinist version of what happened in Finland is as far removed from reality as the Soviet Stalinist version of what happened to the 24,000 Poles murdered by the NKVD.

I haven't researched it, but given the lies you Soviets tell yourselves, I sure wouldn't be surprised to find it's just more denial of what really happened.
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« Reply #516 on: March 20, 2005, 11:37:58 AM »
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I suspect the Soviet Stalinist version of what happened in Finland is as far removed from reality as the Soviet Stalinist version of what happened to the 24,000 Poles murdered by the NKVD.

I haven't researched it, but given the lies you Soviets tell yourselves, I sure wouldn't be surprised to find it's just more denial of what really happened.


Sorry, I can give you Western sources on White-Finnish war (sorry, don't have a book at hand), and Katyn case - mentioned as a Goebbels's propaganda invention in Kurt Reiss's book ("Devil's Advocate"), together with names of European "experts" who said they were forced by Germans. Kurt Reiss a stalinist?!

Toad, you are a difficult case of cold-war anti-Soviet military propaganda. Sorry to say it. :( Being brought up in a military family - I can't understand how an officer can be so narrow-minded. Sorry again. I don't know if you have any Soviet-side history books, but in my Father's library I always saw more Western sources then Soviet. Free America vs. Evil USSR. Free America didn't dare to publish "Weltkrieg 1939-1945" written by nazi generals, and Evil USSR printed it (150,000 copies IIRC) in 1957, two years after it was released in West Germany...
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« Reply #517 on: March 20, 2005, 11:39:50 AM »
No, I'm just a difficult case of cold-war Soviet LIES being proven.

I'm difficult because I absolutely won't swallow the BS you gobbled up so easily.

There is no doubt about who killed the Polish POWs. NONE.
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« Reply #518 on: March 20, 2005, 11:56:29 AM »
OK, in your religion Russians are a nation of Satan. You could say it yourself - you have freedom of speech, don't you? :rolleyes:

I prefer rational thinking to faith. Sorry for you.

And again - I don't say that it was Russians or nazis who killed poor Poles. You have faith, I have some evidence that you deny (religiously, because it contradicts your dogma that Russians are always Evil) - and I doubt.

It's interesting to see people who blindly believe in Goebbels's rhethorics in 2005.
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« Reply #519 on: March 20, 2005, 05:32:08 PM »
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LOL.. yah, don't talk about it, try to change the subject to the suicide of civilians on Okinawa.

You know what was different about Oki? The Japanese weren't EXECUTED. The committed suicide.

Unlike say... the POLISH POWs AT KATYN, who were murdered.

Lie to yourselves all you like. Try to change the subject all you like. Drink yourselves into oblivion to try and hide from the truth that the rest of the world realized long ago.

But when you wonder why the entire rest of the world views the Soviets as barbarian conquerers, you really know WHY. You just can't handle admitting it.


You guys are funnier than the very best comedians.!

Buh-bye.


Toad, why are you using the 2000-years-old Roman Empire propaganda labels : ["civilization" and ]"barbarians" ?

The mother-loving "civilized" Roman citizens committed more atrocities than the so-called "barbarians". And the same thing has happened with the glorious Western "civilization" in the XXth century. Who let loose Adolf Hitler and his stormtroopers ? Who constantly, year after the year, let him swallow minor European states in order to coach him against the "barbarians" in the Soviet Union ? But that policy of blind hatred failed, and Sir Churchill kissed the bride... ehe... Comrade Stalin.
By the way, are you aware of the etimology of the english word 'slave' ? It simply means 'Slav' in memory of the hundreds of thousands (most likely millions) of the Slavic people captured by "civilized" and later by "uncivilized" soldiers of fortune in the course of several hundred years.
Didn't your teachers tell you that at school ?
If they did not do that, what did they tell you ?
Oh, I have almost forgot, they told you that Russians are "barbarians" and they are coming to invade your country. Yeah ... Now you tell that to everybody.  :rofl
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« Reply #520 on: March 20, 2005, 05:43:05 PM »
Unlike Russians, it was hard to find a Roman who denied their atrocities. The Romans gloried in it openly.

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Not at all. I'm sure most Russians are like any other nationality.  Every nation has its shameful acts. The normal citizens accept their history and resolve to do better in every country.

Still there are always a few few delusional ones that continue to deny the atrocities and live an imaginary history.
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« Reply #521 on: March 20, 2005, 06:46:58 PM »
OK, Toad, but I warn you that the phrase about "every nation" was your mistake.
Expect some protests.

As for Katyn', I can repeat my opinion (just the opinion) that the Polish combatants (they included not only officers of the regular Polish Army but the police officers too) were executed by NKVD troops following the orders from the 'Kremlin highlander'.

With big degree of certainty this act was triggered by the radiobroadcast from London of the speech  of the then (not elected by the general Polish public) head of Polish government in exile Sikorsky
who made a strange statement fully equalled to the declaration of war on the USSR (though the legitimate leaders of Poland did not declare war on the USSR even during Soviet-Polish armed hostilities). Other nuances on this topic you can find in my posts here and there.
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« Reply #522 on: March 20, 2005, 07:12:21 PM »
Looks like Red side doesn't come to one decision, and is open for discussion, while Blue side shows it's religious beliefs and unanimously supports the policy of Party and Government.

Doesn't it already contradict what "everyone knows"? Toad, you said that sane people never doubt, what about this case?

"Было бы ошибкой думать" - В.И.Ленин, ПСС, т.15, стр.95. :D
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« Reply #523 on: March 20, 2005, 07:16:38 PM »
Toad, it seems to me that denying obvious things and repeating Western idiotic propaganda lies is mandatory for an American military.

Do you always have to repeat after your political officers, even after you are happily retired? :confused: Damn, it's much worse then the "Eeeevil USSR" back in, say, 1980...
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« Reply #524 on: March 20, 2005, 07:55:46 PM »
Red side continues to argue that the sun may or may not rise in the East. Blue side continues to laugh at Red side.
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