Author Topic: How's he do it? (Read 5298 times)

g00b · « **on:** February 28, 2005, 05:24:53 AM »

After many great fights with Levi tonight I went back and watched some films. I don't know how he does it, but here's a clip of one of his reversals, which always makes people scream "impossible!".

I'm the MKV the camera is "fixed" on. 1 meg .wmv movie

http://www.easyracers.com/temp/Movie_0004.wmv

Here's a .ahf copy of the fight with him.

http://www.easyracers.com/temp/film60_1424.zip

Notice how the plane almost backflips on the 1st hard reversal, and how he accomplishes a near 180 in less than 2 seconds. On top of it all he lines me up and hammers me on a snapshot immediately after. I've turned the trails on and watched it over and over and I still don't know how he does it. You'll notice in the .ahf I have flaps out and typically am flying a bit faster. Levi's manuevering seems to be around 120-150mph with no flaps. And just look at how many people blow their shots try to track such a low, slow, wildly manuevering target.

Any thoughts on the abilites of a real Spit MKV to handle like that? Looks more like something an Extra or Cap would pull at an airshow rather than a WWII fighter (even a spitty).

Is this a realistic simulation of what the MKV could do, or someone simply pushing the "game" envelope beyond what should be possible?

g00b

Urchin · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2005, 05:39:29 AM »

Yea, nothing outrageous there. I can't speak in terms of "real life" airplanes handling... but he was basically going slower than you were, and got around his initial turn faster. He used your speed against you.

It should be possible to watch the film from his perspective (been a while since I played with the film viewer).. look at it and then see if you still think it is impossible.

Zulu7 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2005, 06:17:03 AM »

Blimey thats good. Hope I never get into a dogfight with him!

moose · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2005, 06:46:12 AM »

gosh, wish i had filmed some of my more spectactular deaths vs levi, cuz in every single one it appears the victim(me) ends up scratchin his head wondering what happened

even when i had him at the top of a stall at 300 yards i couldnt get a 30mm on him before havin my tail fall out. can never catch a friggin break :-P

i wonder who would win in a 1v1 - dmf or drex..

moot · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2005, 07:46:05 AM »

I know it'll upset some people, but imo Levi sucks.

Redd · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2005, 08:41:52 AM »

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Originally posted by moot
I know it'll upset some people, but imo Levi sucks.

I won't sleep tonight , knowing that you feel that way

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2005, 09:35:36 AM »

I fought levi once c202 vs c202. I zoomed down from above him, he avoided my attack. He went agressive and we spiraled up in a zoom climb. Even though I had much more E than him to start with and I was 100% sure he'd go down first to my amazement my airspeed droped to zero while he climbed at least a hundred feet above me. The energy state reversed totally in one dive where he was defensive.

I had to quit the fight and watch the film because I was 100% sure he was a cheater. Too bad I no longer have the film, it was maybe 3 years ago.

storch · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2005, 09:52:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I fought levi once c202 vs c202. I zoomed down from above him, he avoided my attack. He went agressive and we spiraled up in a zoom climb. Even though I had much more E than him to start with and I was 100% sure he'd go down first to my amazement my airspeed droped to zero while he climbed at least a hundred feet above me. The energy state reversed totally in one dive where he was defensive.

I had to quit the fight and watch the film because I was 100% sure he was a cheater. Too bad I no longer have the film, it was maybe 3 years ago.

he's not a cheater everyone knows you can't cheat in this game.

he's really quite good at cartoon aerial warfare, he displays all of the classical signs of a mis-spent adolescence.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2005, 09:54:30 AM »

What bothers me more than that, and I don't see Leviathan doing it, is the trick with Spitfires and Seafires where they change directions by 180 degrees plus and accelerate to over 360MPH and chase down a plane that was going over 360MPH in the opposite direction. And I'm talking about actually seeing the plane in question changing direction well over 1.5K or so behind you. I'm also talking about this happening in a 2K altitude window. From a direct head on merge. The time span was less than 20 seconds, and the Spitfire went from a head on merge, to almost 2K or so behind, turned 180 degrees in less than 1.5K vertical, and caught me when I was showing 360MPH + indicated and did not turn at all (I intended to extend and climb). I suppose you can chalk it up to "lag"

, and say he actually turned in front of me but the 'net delay made it "look" like he turned behind me.

I can see a legit move that wins the fight most any time I see a fight with Leviathan, and he has friends that fly with him so he doesn't seem to have to worry much about his six. He flies well, and has the whole fight planned before he ever merges. His plans rarely go very wrong.

wetrat · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2005, 10:56:31 AM »

Nothing spectacular there.. you were coming up behind him fast, and stayed full throttle and took his bait. Had you chopped throttle and slowed down around d800-1k, you'd have been able to rip him apart when he went vertical. Basically, it's ill-advised to come up behind a good stick only 20mph or so faster if you can't saddle up or get a solid shot.

mechanic · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:00:54 AM »

nothing special about that, some of the moves i've seen him do, or he's don on me are way harder to understnad, especially in 1V1 merges.

seems to me like you had him cold meat but augered

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:16:09 AM »

I looked at the movie and then the AH film, it seems he did a lateral skid as part of his turn, but I did not see anything extraordinary from the standpoint of it being a typical Spitfire type maneuver. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.

humble · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:29:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I fought levi once c202 vs c202. I zoomed down from above him, he avoided my attack. He went agressive and we spiraled up in a zoom climb. Even though I had much more E than him to start with and I was 100% sure he'd go down first to my amazement my airspeed droped to zero while he climbed at least a hundred feet above me. The energy state reversed totally in one dive where he was defensive.

I had to quit the fight and watch the film because I was 100% sure he was a cheater. Too bad I no longer have the film, it was maybe 3 years ago.

Absolutely positively garbage.....

Levi's forgotten more acm than most ever learn.

Way back when I spent a fair amount of time "dueling" (more like getting the snot beat out of me) with Levi (then DMF). I'd win one (even two) and lose 30. When I got "in the zone" with him and could hang past the 1st 20 seconds or so it evolved...or devolved...into an almost tumbling spinning 120mph phoneboth fight...I can remember being "locked" cockpit to cockpit feeling like we were spinning around each other....

Basically he's the best pure angles fighter I've ever seen, he can put that bird at the absolute minimum speed required to maintain a 3D attack profile and keep it there.

SlapShot · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2005, 12:23:59 PM »

Basically he's the best pure angles fighter I've ever seen, he can put that bird at the absolute minimum speed required to maintain a 3D attack profile and keep it there.

BINGO !!!

detch01 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2005, 12:40:58 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
Basically he's the best pure angles fighter I've ever seen, he can put that bird at the absolute minimum speed required to maintain a 3D attack profile and keep it there.

..add to that some pretty damn good SA. Fighting him is a treat that I don't get near enough of.

asw

Author Topic: How's he do it? (Read 5298 times)

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