Help me

[Avor]

In this game as a fighter, or in a real life cessna when you press a controll the plane with tend to bounce back. This is used on low preformance airplains as a result of a design meant to be stable in flight


In a real fighter, when the plane is pointed in a direction it stays there, this means the plane is natualy less stable but a can be handled faster and wtih more precision.

For the life of me I just dont get why the fighters in this game fly like a 40 year old cessna(the one I piloted once)

So, Im I missing a setting in options or can somebody tell me how to deal with this?

[wetrat]

If I understand what you're saying, this is due to combat trim.. it always trims so that you can fly straight and level.

[Balsy]

turn off combat trim and trim it manually..Combat trim= computerized auto-trim for the lazy-many, and the non-pilot types...

Most use combat trim, get the airplane to speed and then turn it off.

Balsy

[Max]

Those gents are correct. Use the cntrl X keys to turn on/off combat trim.

DmdMax

[DamnedRen]

I think yer looking at it all wrong. A real fighter is inherently unstable. As in the case of an A4M Skyhawk which has no auto pilot, once you got to cruise alt got level you'd trim the plane to level and unless you encountered turbulence, etc the plane would pretty much fly itself. The second you moved the stick if you wished to get her level again you had to go through the same ritual of trimming her for that condition. If you got into a dogfight you did not continioully trim the plane for every single angle you were in or where you nose was pointed. In fact most pilots trimmed a lil nose (read very small amount here) down when they went feet dry. The reason is they had to hold a lil stick and if they needed to unload it was automatic.

Nuther tidbit....there was an airline out there that flew new planes  and they had a tendency to stall them on final. Reason being the pilot kept trying to trim the planes nose while it was on autopilot. Everytime he trimmed the autopilot would retrim until he fianlly ran it out of trim. When he disconnected the autopilot the nose would pitch and whomp! They fixed that and no, it was not in the US and doesn't happen anymore

Ok that's just good reading. For this game, yes you can turn off auto combit trim. And yes, you can spend the whole flight trimming and retrimming yer plane. That can be fun and you can die alot. But hey! It's a game.

On the other hand, using auto combat trim wont hurt you and give you a chance to get used to learning about flying and fighting in the arena first.
As they say, "you ain't in Kansas anymore" and these planes ain't cessna's. Suggestion. Get used to whats happening around you. Then if you feel you just gotta trim, trim, trm all the time, go for it.

BTW, since they are prop jobs and just like cessna's in that sense. If you point the nose up they do eventually run outa steam. However, if you point the nose in any direction and let go of the stick (unload) it will pretty much stay there for a while. Isn't that what you asked about?

BTW, Im lazy. I not only use auto combat trim in most planes (some not) but when I point the nose up I hit the auto pilot angle button and sleep as she zooms when I peg my speed or alt I hit auto pilot level and go back to sleep.....well maybe not
It doesn't effect how many kills you get...honest!

Also, if I see an enemy guy trim, trim, trimming Ill prolly shoot him whiles he's getting his plane in trim

[MANDO]

Originally posted by wetrat
If I understand what you're saying, this is due to combat trim.. it always trims so that you can fly straight and level.

straight where you are pointing, not level. Combat trim has no relation at all with the effect described by Avor. This effect is present with combat trim or without it. In fact, combat trim would help to get what Avor draws as "real fighter".

Avor, I think you should more this issue to the "Gameplay Feedback and request" forum.

[DamnedRen]

Actually, Mando I have no idea why you think this is a gameplay issue. Sorry bro but this is why there is a help and training forum.

At worst our Avor may be flying the fighter like a cessna. 90% of all fighters need to be flown at a decent speed. If you fly it slow then it will wollow around like a cessna.

I think he needs to revisit just what he thinks a fighter can do compared to a cessna. If he'd like to do that we can help him in the TA.

Thanks

[MANDO]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
Actually, Mando I have no idea why you think this is a gameplay issue.

Gameplay "Feedback and Requests", while it may be an issue. The other good forum would be aircraft and vehicles.

[Avor]

As of now when I'm in a dog fight the plane flys like somebody is behind me grabbing or hitting the stick.

Im going to try and use the keyboard, maybe its my stick or something related to it.

[Avor]

Originally posted by Avor
As of now when I'm in a dog fight the plane flys like somebody is behind me grabbing or hitting the stick.

Im going to try and use the keyboard, maybe its my stick or something related to it.

I cant even do that, what I can I do to get my plane to stay in the direction I point it.

I dont have controll of my plane, Im not flying it, I just move the stick and ask if it would like to go there.

[Schutt]

I only noticed the behavior you mentioned on rudder. And i guess there it is correct, might be overdone but correct.

-try to disable the stall limiter

-try higher speeds... set on autoclimb, go grab a cup of coffee and a sandwitch.

-try a fw190d9 without droptank

Then push a shallow dive and use combat speeds of 200 to 400mph indicated. Note that when you get to fast the controlls dont reakt good, this simulates that the forces needed to move em are stronger.


See if you have droptanks/bombs.. drop em before combat. Note that some aircraft can have multiple external equipment that hangs on the bottom and stabilizes the ac.

btw can check in hangar preflight if you have any externals.

Also some aircraft feel a bit wobbly with full fuel... with 75% or less they feel better.


hope this helps... if not i would like to hear your problem again with which aircraft/ loadout / speed you feel the problem.

I think auto combat trim has nothing to do with this. It trims for lvl flight at current speed, which is bad on some aircraft when they get slow since it pushes nose up into stall. On others its bad when fast because you cant pull enogh G's when the nose is trimmed down.

[MANDO]

That effect is particulary noticeable with 262. It should be renamed by "the bouncing-nose-fighter".

[Avor]

try to disable the stall limiter

Does nothing

-try higher speeds... set on autoclimb, go grab a cup of coffee and a sandwitch.

So max speed isnt enough

-try a fw190d9 without droptank

Never take them anyways

which aircraft/ loadout / speed you feel the problem.

All the same, even in the bomber.

[DamnedRen]

Avor, simple fix. Tell me when you wanna meet me in the TA and let's fix it.

I hate to say it but so far you haven't really diagnosed anything. Have you been to the joystick window and confirmed the stick is working in the game? Have you calibrated in stick in the game? Are any of the stick functions reversed?

If a stick doesn't make any control surfaces move then it would seem that you haven't confirmed that it's operational in the game. Last night there was 500+ pilots in the MA. They all use different sticks and have no problems.

Say when and let's fix yours.

Almost forgot is Avor the call sign you use in the game?

[MANDO]

Avor, this effect is not related to your joy, nor any trim setting, neither any loadout. Is and has been present in AH planes always.

If you push your nose down and let the stick alone (free), your nose will bounce upwards (more or less noticeable depending on the plane), opposite if you pull the stick. The effect is also present with yaw movements. The effect is less and less noticeable the faster you go.