Where are the clowns who said we are in a recession?

[Schaden]

Originally posted by storch
oh boy I'm a leftist  

Welcome to the dark side!!

[storch]

Originally posted by Schaden
Welcome to the dark side!!

[Steve]

oh boy I'm a leftist  many of us employers cannot determine if documents that are presented to us are legitimate.

I missed the part where I said you are a leftist.  Seems like you're just ignorant. Get a better education, it helps with reading.

the point looks a little dull from here.

plow you.

[Steve]

Use your head. A parent with a child with an illness will seek help in the most efficient and available manner possible.

If they were here legally, they'd have at least an opportunity for health insurance.   Use your own head.  when your child gets a runny nose, do you take it to the emrgency room as the most available manner possible?  No, you call your doctor and get an appointment or walk in there, not the emergency room.  You play by the rules.  The illegals do not.

Yes, I'm sure, you probably have a lot of illegals in your ERs. But they didn't "come north" to bring a runny nose there. The reason they came is wholly seperate.

Who cares why they came North illegally?  

Tell you what, you seem to want to provide health care for illegals.  Fine with me, will you pay my taxes for me so I'm not forced to provide for them?

[Steve]

Then, its the nature of our health care system and its lack of capacity for indigent health care that creates the subset of the problem you refer to.

Close out borders, problem solved.  We could more than afford to close our borders w/ the money we lose in illegal immigrant free ehealthcare

[Steve]

furthermore illegal or otherwise his taxes and fica contributions are withheld,

Nice try but you're full of crap  for the most part.  The VAST majority of illegals are day laborors and work for cash.

[storch]

Originally posted by Steve
plow you.

yup. point definitely needs sharpening there tough guy.  you can't spell to save your life.  tell me can you see through a keyhole with both eyes simultaneously?  I'll bet you can.  

[storch]

Originally posted by Steve
Nice try but you're full of crap  for the most part.  The VAST majority of illegals are day laborors and work for cash.

oh boy he's an authority on how people get paid in America.

[culero]

Originally posted by Steve
If they were here legally, they'd have at least an opportunity for health insurance.   Use your own head.  when your child gets a runny nose, do you take it to the emergency room as the most available manner possible?  No, you call your doctor and get an appointment or walk in there, not the emergency room.  You play by the rules.  The illegals do not.

I'll assume you are not speaking to me personally when you say "you", but are (at least you seem to me to be) saying "US citizen" or "legal resident" or similar, correct? In that case, your statement is not accurate.

Of course, most parents with the means to do so would do exactly as you said. But many people who live in the US under legal circumstances do so with an income (or lack thereof) that does not afford the ability to pay for their medical care. And guess what, bud? That doctor you're citing here in most cases will refuse to treat them unless they can pay. Furthermore, there ain't any pharmacies I know of that let the meds go out the door without the cash up front.

My point is that you making it seem that the only reason we have a problem with our health care system is that illegals abuse it. I'm not saying there isn't a problem, I agree there is. You're just describing it inaccurately.

In fact, the common factor in the abuse is the fact that largely, those that are abusing the system are INDIGENT. This is a poverty-related problem, it applies to both legal residents and illegals.



 

Originally posted by Steve

Who cares why they came North illegally?

Why do you ask? Its really a whole different discussion, isn't it?

But I'll answer - probably those who are interested to know why. Doh. (I would've thought you could figger that out on yer own).

Originally posted by Steve
snip

Tell you what, you seem to want to provide health care for illegals.  

I hesitate to accuse someone I don't know well of being bigoted, but I'm getting the impression you might need to self-examine. You're talking about what I agree are things we need to fix, but the terms you're talking about the situation in make you seem, well...

culero

[Steve]

you can't spell to save your life

You're kidding right?  You actually think I spelled it that way on purpose?  Man, you really are a dipchit.

[Steve]

My point is that you making it seem that the only reason we have a problem with our health care system is that illegals abuse it.

You'll have to show me where I said that.

I hesitate to accuse someone I don't know well of being bigoted, ...

Well, if you construe that me not wanting to pay for the healthcare of illegal aliens is being bigoted, then yes, I am bigoted.

In fact, the common factor in the abuse is the fact that largely, those that are abusing the system are INDIGENT

Can you establish this with any backing?  I cannot speak for the rest of the nation but in AZ, illegal aliens are the main culprit.

[Steve]

That doctor you're citing here in most cases will refuse to treat them unless they can pay.

Sounds fair to me.  Don't you like to be paid for services rendered?

[culero]

Originally posted by Steve
Nice try but you're full of crap  for the most part.  The VAST majority of illegals are day laborors and work for cash.

So, wouldn't it be a ghood idea to consider that given they are finding the work, its available and people here are willing to pay for it?

Given that we live in a system that is (or should be) driven by supply and demand, wouldn't it be wise to at least CONSIDER that, and decide whether or not we should do what it takes to incorporate this part of our nation's commerce into the legal sector where these folks WOULD be subject to IRS and FICA?

They're here, they're earning, they're not contributing their share, true. But if the system won't allow them to contribute, how can you blame them? I say lets seek ways to allow compliance before we complain about non-compliance.

culero

[culero]

Originally posted by Steve
Sounds fair to me.  Don't you like to be paid for services rendered?

Absolutely. That wasn't a complaint against the doctor. It was statement of fact, and again I am trying to point you toward what the problem is.

culero

[Steve]

They're here, they're earning, they're not contributing their share, true. But if the system won't allow them to contribute

This is incorrect.  The system allows for them to contribute.  Crooked contractors and their ilk enable their criminal behavior of tax evasion.