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Offline Scootter

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« Reply #90 on: March 23, 2005, 06:25:32 PM »
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Don't judge the US on peps from this board, that would be stupid

We are not all arrogant or narrow minded, I am but many are not.

:D :D


This board sometimes seems a place of extremes, and is good for entertainment if not enlightenment.
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« Reply #91 on: March 23, 2005, 06:26:10 PM »
You don't read anything properly do you my old sparring partner!

"Your nation has a proud self sacrificing history that is to be applauded."

"there are many proud patriotic Americans who don't just swallow the crap that your think tanks and military industrial complex want you to swallow hook line and sinker, and are capable of seeing value in those from other places."

I think these people live in your country too.

Its you I'm criticising matey not all Americans. Unless you are so arrogant you claim to speak for them all!
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« Reply #92 on: March 23, 2005, 06:33:06 PM »
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You don't read anything properly do you my old sparring partner!

"Your nation has a proud self sacrificing history that is to be applauded."

"there are many proud patriotic Americans who don't just swallow the crap that your think tanks and military industrial complex want you to swallow hook line and sinker, and are capable of seeing value in those from other places."

I think these people live in your country too.

Its you I'm criticising matey not all Americans. Unless you are so arrogant you claim to speak for them all!


  I read YOU all too well. That`s why I`m a burr under your saddle hoss. :D

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"there are many proud patriotic Americans who don't just swallow the crap that your think tanks and military industrial complex want you to swallow hook line and sinker, and are capable of seeing value in those from other places."


  You might want to save that  for your next propaganda , antiU.S. , quasi-commie meeting.
That dog won`t hunt. :D
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« Reply #93 on: March 23, 2005, 06:59:08 PM »
Scootter

"Don't judge the US on peps from this board, that would be stupid"

I don't mate. It's just that some here choose to interpret me as if I do.

 
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« Reply #94 on: March 23, 2005, 07:11:56 PM »
"Some" see you for what you are. :aok
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« Reply #95 on: March 23, 2005, 07:28:21 PM »
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No offense intended BTW, I just love to flame on that topic.  
I'll get excited about hydrogen when someone comes up with a way to make H2 without starting from conventional fuels.


What about a nuclear plant (fission) just doing hydrolysis on a water supply.


And laughing at new ideas... that'll change the world.
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« Reply #96 on: March 23, 2005, 08:13:09 PM »
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The great ethenol debacle comes to mind.  A fuel that burns cleaner than gas, is derived from organics grown right here in the good ole U.S.A., but uses more fuel to produce and distribute than what wouldb e reclaimed in the process of using it.


Why not just grain alcohol (moonshine)?

If some hillbilly  in the backhills of west Virginia can do it.

It couldnt cost that much to make it

Really how much cost and energy does it take to make a still?
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« Reply #97 on: March 23, 2005, 08:25:59 PM »
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Really how much cost and energy does it take to make a still?


  Well I started on a Friday morning, gathered up the copper and firewood, then I............................ ......... Nevermind.
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« Reply #98 on: March 23, 2005, 11:18:19 PM »
Paid $2.27 a gal on Tuesday for Amoco Gold, and the bill came to $6.81 total.  My Low Rider (FXDL) has air conditioning on all the time too, and still gets around 50 mpg.  :D

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« Reply #99 on: March 23, 2005, 11:19:05 PM »
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Why not just grain alcohol (moonshine)?

If some hillbilly  in the backhills of west Virginia can do it.

It couldnt cost that much to make it

Really how much cost and energy does it take to make a still?
You can buy one on the web for $200 - $500 depending on the size. If you can weld, you can build one for under $100 in material. Your other incidental recurring costs would be a heat source and mash.
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« Reply #100 on: March 23, 2005, 11:33:32 PM »
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http://www.ybiofuels.org/bio_fuels/history_diesel.html


Rudolph Diesel was quite the visionary. http://www.boulderbiodiesel.com/tim/Rudolph/index.jsp

"He wanted to provide farmers, small industries and those in isolated communities the opportunity to produce their own fuel and to compete with the large monopolies that controlled all energy production at that time."

"Vegetable oils were used as fuel for the diesel engine until the 1920's, when diesel engine manufacturers modified the injection system of the engine to handle the lower viscosity of fossil fuels, which were widely available and low in cost. The oil tycoons of the day also wielded influence over every aspect of the transportation industry and shaped the development of the engine to favor their interests. "
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« Reply #101 on: March 24, 2005, 01:02:11 AM »
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You can buy one on the web for $200 - $500 depending on the size. If you can weld, you can build one for under $100 in material. Your other incidental recurring costs would be a heat source and mash.


For a heat source they can use methane.
Naturally occuring and often just burned off at garbage dumps
Some towns I hear actually use it to power generators for the electric co's
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« Reply #102 on: March 24, 2005, 01:09:19 AM »
Yeah, the oil companies and Bush are behind the lack of development of alternative energy. And they've got those 200MPG carburetors all packed away in a warehouse in Texas too.

Alcohol, be it methanol or ethanol, does not have the BTU content necessary for use as an efficient motor fuel. It also requires very high compression ratios in order to be nearly as efficient as hydrocarbon fuel. In fact, most alcohol has about HALF the BTU content of hydrocarbon fuel. Further, the high compression ratio needed to burn alcohol efficiently produces nitrides of oxygen, which is a top pollutant on the EPA list.

Theoretically, if you could get the distribution network setup , we could switch to alcohol, provided you were willing to stop twice as often to fill up. It could also be used to cut bio diesel, adding alcohol in the proper percentages will make your diesel kick ass. However, vehicles built to use alcohol could not be run on gasoline in an emergency, because the gasoline required would be 110 octane. Alcohol is also EXTREMELY hard on fuel systems, it is very corrosive and removes the plasticizers from rubber components.

We could also cease to use petroleum based lubricants,and switch to pure synthetics. This is actually very feasible and has far more advantages than the minor disadvantage of cost.

We could also go to almost 100% nuclear generated electricity, with the rest produced from hydroelectric plants. Then use the coal like the Germans did in World War II, and make gasoline and diesel from it. They did it 60 years ago, I'm sure the process could be refined and improved.
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« Reply #103 on: March 24, 2005, 01:20:49 AM »
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We could also go to almost 100% nuclear generated electricity, with the rest produced from hydroelectric plants. Then use the coal like the Germans did in World War II, and make gasoline and diesel from it. They did it 60 years ago, I'm sure the process could be refined and improved.


I dont think its viable (not to mention a very bad idea) to go almost 100% nuclear untill we figure out a way to dispose of the waste.
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« Reply #104 on: March 24, 2005, 01:28:52 AM »
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Yeah, the oil companies and Bush are behind the lack of development of alternative energy. And they've got those 200MPG carburetors all packed away in a warehouse in Texas too.

Alcohol, be it methanol or ethanol, does not have the BTU content necessary for use as an efficient motor fuel. It also requires very high compression ratios in order to be nearly as efficient as hydrocarbon fuel. In fact, most alcohol has about HALF the BTU content of hydrocarbon fuel. Further, the high compression ratio needed to burn alcohol efficiently produces nitrides of oxygen, which is a top pollutant on the EPA list.

Theoretically, if you could get the distribution network setup , we could switch to alcohol, provided you were willing to stop twice as often to fill up. It could also be used to cut bio diesel, adding alcohol in the proper percentages will make your diesel kick ass. However, vehicles built to use alcohol could not be run on gasoline in an emergency, because the gasoline required would be 110 octane. Alcohol is also EXTREMELY hard on fuel systems, it is very corrosive and removes the plasticizers from rubber components.

We could also cease to use petroleum based lubricants,and switch to pure synthetics. This is actually very feasible and has far more advantages than the minor disadvantage of cost.

We could also go to almost 100% nuclear generated electricity, with the rest produced from hydroelectric plants. Then use the coal like the Germans did in World War II, and make gasoline and diesel from it. They did it 60 years ago, I'm sure the process could be refined and improved.
It's not the greatest fuel stand alone. It's too dry. But, it makes a great additive to thin heavier oils and make them more efficient. It is hard on older diesel engines with weaker rubber seals. Most newer engines use different compound seals that have much better tolerence for methanol. It has it's place at the pump, http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/ .

Another reason to use it? .
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The smell of the biodiesel exhaust is far more pleasant than petroleum based diesel, some times smelling like pop corn or doughnuts if the fuel is made from a waste vegetable oil feedstock.
It's poop don't stink.

Oh, and the warehouse is in South Texas... near the border
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