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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2005, 11:47:41 PM »
its not about due process, its not about pvs, its about letting Terri choose what she wanted....



Felos also said Terri Schiavo told her best friend, brother-in-law and uncle that she would never want to be kept alive in this type of scenario.

I guess her best friend, unlce and brother-in-law all want her dead too.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/21/schiavo/index.html

I remember seeing her husband invite president bush and Jeb to come visit her but I guess they were too busy to do anything other than grab some free press.

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« Reply #106 on: March 26, 2005, 11:48:06 PM »
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>>Something is wrong with you<<

:)  Yea but you are just perfect, Nash:)


Far from it.

Difference is, I know my lunatic boundries.

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« Reply #107 on: March 26, 2005, 11:54:27 PM »
Just a footnote. Terri's husband denied a request that Terri be given communion. Apparently she could choke on it and die.

If this is sanity, I am so glad I am insane.

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« Reply #108 on: March 26, 2005, 11:54:38 PM »
I read the entire afadavit. Frankly it seems that the entire observation on his part was a review of the files, a 90 minute personal observation (where he states he didn't see anything he could identify as cognitive activity) and the video clips. I don't see a strong statement that she is not in a vegetative state, just that he would like to see more tests using the equipment that is available now. He certainly feels more testing would indicate if there is ANY higher brain functions as oposed to random indications that may or may not be an indication of functioning above a vegetative state.

I see that as a reasonable observation on his part as he has no real long term time with her and he wants to use technology to test more things. Specifically he wants to look at brain activity during specific stimuli presentations. Even at that he didn't get specific as to whether or not that would prove actual cognition just a relationship of electrical activity in the areas associated with that stimuli.

As to the litigation angle, there certainly has been considerable reporting of both sides using various courts and state / Federal avenues to get satisfaction for their particular side. Offhand I'd doubt that an legal option has been left undone. Certainly the courts have been exercised. What I have heard from the brief time I spent listening to the news is that the parents are out of legal options to challenge.
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« Reply #109 on: March 26, 2005, 11:57:18 PM »
See?

You are SUCH the moron!

No.. She wasn't denied communion.

In point of fact, she had communion when the tube was pulled, and will have it again at the discretion of her husband, to be administered by the Hospice priest.

What WAS denied was some fransican drone friar tuck spokesman of the parents wanting to perform communion when.... well, when he felt like it.

You are like the sponge.

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« Reply #110 on: March 26, 2005, 11:57:28 PM »
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>>You read some pretty messed up websites Tweet. I'm not going to sit here and have you throw garbage at me from doofuses like Andy McCarthy<<

Yea, especially when there are AW experts like yourself to consult...:rolleyes:

And he says *I'm* detached from reality...

So lets tally this up ...

Dr. Cheshire is a quack
 and McCarthy is a dufus..

But, gosh darn we have the expertise of Nash!


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« Reply #111 on: March 26, 2005, 11:59:33 PM »
The answer lies not so much within Schiavo's brain as in the minds of those who observe her. As social beings, humans are hard-wired to examine another's face for clues to what the person behind it is thinking. They naturally associate vocal tones with specific moods. They detect meaningful words in nonsense utterances.

"I can understand that, because I have examined scores if not hundreds of people with this condition," says Dr. Leon Prockop, a professor of neurology at the University of South Florida, who has reviewed the brain-damaged woman's CAT scans.

At first, he says, his "natural emotional desire to be optimistic and hopeful" made him interpret movements and facial expressions as purposeful. But after long experience, Prockop says, "I came to realize that my emotional reaction was understandable as a human being, but was not an intellectual assessment."

During testimony in a 2002 hearing, court-appointed neurologist Peter Bambakidis acknowledged that seeing the videotapes of Schiavo's mother kissing and speaking with her gave him pause at first.

But Bambakidis noted that such visual tracking "commonly occurs spontaneously in people in a persistent vegetative state." After reviewing her brain scans and visiting with her, he came to the conclusion that she had no hope of recovery.

Dr. James Barnhill, a neurologist hired by Michael Schiavo, the husband who has fought through the courts to honor what he says would have been his wife's wishes, reviewed the videotapes and came to a similar conclusion.

Barnhill has said Terri Schiavo engaged in "pathological laughter, pathological crying … consistent with the vocalizations that are seen in people with persistent vegetative states. I see nothing on that tape that indicates an awareness there or consciousness

"The mere noise of walking will make the eyes flicker," said Lawrence J. Schneiderman, a professor at the University of California, San Diego medical school who specializes in the bioethics of medical futility and end-of-life care. "And there may be a grimace, so the relatives will say, 'Oh, she's happy to see me.'"

But all of those apparent signs of awareness are the product of a brain so damaged that by medical definition it has no capability of thought, no sensory awareness, no sense of its own existence in the world.

In Schiavo's condition, only the most primitive part of the brain survives. That region, known as the brain stem, merely sustains the vital functions of breathing, heart rate, sleep-wake cycles and primitive reflexes such as coughing and blinking.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=616805&page=3

Seems like the Court-appointed Doctor(Among others) disagrees with your affadavit Dr.'s opinion.

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« Reply #112 on: March 27, 2005, 12:06:41 AM »
>>You are SUCH the moron!
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:) Of course, Nash, you are the only god here:)

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« Reply #113 on: March 27, 2005, 12:08:31 AM »
Don't get weird on me babe.

Use yer noggin.

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« Reply #114 on: March 27, 2005, 12:10:49 AM »
I'm trying but the list is getting long...

Quack Dr. Cheshire

dufus prosecutor McCarthy

and now fransican drone friar

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« Reply #115 on: March 27, 2005, 12:12:10 AM »
Yeah...

National story.

Life & Death.

3 Nutjobs.

Suprised?

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« Reply #116 on: March 27, 2005, 12:13:29 AM »
Why hasn't Dr. James Barnhill did a PET scan or fMRI?

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« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2005, 12:15:56 AM »
As far as I know, the only place that can do PET is NYC.

Why hasn't that been done? Because people in the biz looked at eachother, and said... "Why even?"

It's a smokescreen.

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« Reply #118 on: March 27, 2005, 12:17:41 AM »
>>Yeah...

National story.

Life & Death.

3 Nutjobs.

Suprised?

<<

Well Raymond's wife Patricia Heaton thinks it barbaric also, but I don't want you trashing her as well, so I didn't bring it up. On the other hand, I hear Micheal Jackson agrees with it and is doing his best to have an old style CT scan run on his accuser..

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« Reply #119 on: March 27, 2005, 12:18:52 AM »
That doesn't make sense to me and I aint reading it twice.