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« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2005, 05:51:08 PM »
i personaly think the la7 is a nice plane from what ive read about it... i don't fly it  in ah. in ma  it truly is a scab on the game play .. especially if you want to fly early mid war planes( cts keep your big mouths shut..im talking about ma not the graveyard called CT)
somthing needs to be done about them..
i would perk them 2 perks or even restrict them to HQ defense, just like the me163...
too many gaylord ;a7s make the game very dull... its like a virus la7 attacer spawns la7 defender. eventually everyone will be flying them...


don't give me we need an easy plane for the noobs excuse either.
thats further up the dark hole than yesterdays dinner.. after all i recon more so called experienced pilot that should knw better fly them than noobs..

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« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2005, 06:02:10 PM »
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In in gods name are you telling me that?

I've been the one arguing that point all along.


That wasnt the point, the point was that the ShVak weighs significantly more than the B-20. In fact the difference is enough to cancel out the weight from 50 more rounds, AND 1 more gun  with 1kg to spare.

So prove your point that the 3 gun option weighs more than the 2 gun option. :)

I posted links to back up someone else's claim on the gun weights. Did you look at them?
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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2005, 06:07:22 PM »
I forgot to add.

You will NEVER see the La7 perked. And I do not think it should be either. I'm glad that HT set that plane in the game the way he did. It gives new players something to fight in and live in more importantly.

They aren't hard to beat. Not in the least bit. If an La7 starts to run I know basicly right from the start what I can expect from him. All you have to do is go on your way and keep an eye on him. He WILL screw up and if your watching for it you can capitolize on it.

They can turn very well but take some know-how. But they can be taken down just as easy never the less.

I wish you guys would just play the game.

You do know perking it will only force them to run more right? That goes for the 51's or Tiffys or any other late war ride. Sure there are those who've got 1000s of perks. But there are even more who do not. Those that dont aren't going to be turn fighting in a plane they dont really know how to fly to begin with if it costs perks now.

You perk those rides and we'll have even more runners than we do now. You guys want that?
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« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2005, 06:16:48 PM »
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I forgot to add.

You will NEVER see the La7 perked. And I do not think it should be either. I'm glad that HT set that plane in the game the way he did. It gives new players something to fight in and live in more importantly.

They aren't hard to beat. Not in the least bit. If an La7 starts to run I know basicly right from the start what I can expect from him. All you have to do is go on your way and keep an eye on him. He WILL screw up and if your watching for it you can capitolize on it.

They can turn very well but take some know-how. But they can be taken down just as easy never the less.

I wish you guys would just play the game.

You do know perking it will only force them to run more right? That goes for the 51's or Tiffys or any other late war ride. Sure there are those who've got 1000s of perks. But there are even more who do not. Those that dont aren't going to be turn fighting in a plane they dont really know how to fly to begin with if it costs perks now.

You perk those rides and we'll have even more runners than we do now. You guys want that?

That pretty much says it all. Thanks for saving me the typing Morph. :p

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« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2005, 06:38:43 PM »
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You perk those rides and we'll have even more runners than we do now. You guys want that?


Not sure if we will have more runners or not. Odds are we wouldnt see as many of the late war track stars as we do now. Otoh, people would jump in the next fastest ride and run in that hehe. More runners though? People will either engage or not, doesnt really matter what plane they are in. I've seen planes that can outturn/outrun me, that had every advantage, inexplicably dive and run away.

I think its more of a persons mentality than a plane thing.
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« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2005, 10:09:19 PM »
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I forgot to add.

It gives new players something to fight in and live in more importantly.

 But they can be taken down just as easy never the less.

 


This sounds contradictory. how can it be easier to live in and easy to take down?

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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2005, 10:33:38 PM »
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While I'm no expert on the matter ,I''m spending this month learning the advantages/disadvantages of the yak 9u,which seems mostly capable of  turning  using the vert. and horiz. planes to fight against all and any plane that i've encountered .With that said I fought  1v1 against an La-7,while he the advantage in acceleration I was able to maintain the vert. and thus control the situation.As a note the book "ILLUSTRATED AIRCRAFT OF WW2" PUBLISHED by SALAMANDER PUBLISHERS  states that  while the La-7 was the chosen plane of almost all Russian aces the Yak 9u did have a 31mph speed advantage over it,and yet noone ever complaines about Yaks.I'm sure that any number of different opinions and info. can be obtaiined ,but this is my 2 cents worth ,if its worth that much.

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Actually half of the russian top 10 flew the P-39. It was actually one of if not the most preferred ride of the elite VVS guards units.

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« Reply #67 on: March 27, 2005, 01:37:24 PM »
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Actually half of the russian top 10 flew the P-39. It was actually one of if not the most preferred ride of the elite VVS guards units.

There wasn't much of a choise.This is Russia we talking about, there isnt a "prefered" plane,there is  a "plane that given to you".

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« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2005, 01:47:21 PM »
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This sounds contradictory. how can it be easier to live in and easy to take down?


Its not contradictory if you understand the nature of the beast.

The plane gives the players some sort of a choice to engage and or disengage at their own leisure. But this works to a point.

That point is when the fight becomes as such where any disengagment is out of the question and not an option. At that point the La7 is no different than any other plane in the game. At that point its all about pilot Vs pilot and how each can perform in the given plane.

Lets face it. This type of thread has been going on for as long as the La7 has been around. I can think of many threads that go years back which were almost identical to this one. I doubt very much that Hitech will perk the plane, and I hope he doesnt. Not because I fly it, which I rarely do. But because it helps a new player to dive into the fighter scene head on. (no pun intended)

This, along with planes like the SpitV and Spit9 are very good choices for a new player to pick from.
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« Reply #69 on: March 28, 2005, 02:11:45 PM »
Morph if HTC have caused the total loadout of the three cannon (B20) version to be heavier than   the two cannon (shvak) version.

Then they have made a gross error.

Infact when empty the three B20 total weight (75kg) is 9kg lighter than the two shvak total weight (84kg).


The three cannon La7 did see action in the GPW..........

It was coming off production lines in  Jan 45

The "Mongolsky Arat" escadrilya (squadron) of the 2nd GIAP were issued with three cannon La7's prior to mid spring 45 and were in the thick of fighting (Poland, Czechia, Germany) right thru to the end of the GPW

The 4th GIAP of the Baltic Fleet recieved them at the same time.

Airmess's skin Yellow 3 was in service in the Baltic during April (olive skin was introduced in spring of 45)

But WWII did not end for the Soviets with the finish of the GPW. They then mounted a massive attack on Japanese held Manchuria during July and August during which La7's again served along side Yak 3's, Yak 9U's and (latterly)King Cobras.

The P 39 was very popular with the Soviets. It was reliable, robust, could take a beating. its use by so many "aces" is really down to one man.............

Aleksandr Pokryshkin 2nd Highest scoring allied ace and (many say) one of the greatest allied fighter pilots/commanders of WWII.

Pokryshkin flew through out the  GPW flying nearly all types at one time or another and developing Soviet fighter tactics latterly taught throughout the VVS.

In particular he developed tactics for the P39 during his command of 16GIAP and latterly (May 44) 9 GIAD (A division which was made up of most of the P39 equipped air regiments whose "aces" appear in the top ten. 9GIAP produced 61 HSU's, 4 double HSU's and in Pokryskin himself one triple HSU)

However even 9 GIAD 's P39's were replaced with La7's by 45.
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« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2005, 02:26:17 PM »
How to beat a LA7.

Try climbing over 10,000 ft before engaging.

That's it.

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« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2005, 02:50:51 PM »
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There wasn't much of a choise.This is Russia we talking about, there isnt a "prefered" plane,there is  a "plane that given to you".


Actually there was alot of pressure from higher up to move away from the P-39 to the la-5,la-7 and other russian built planes. The various "guards" units had choice of material. The top russian aces could fly any plane they wanted....

Here are a couple of excerpts and a link....

Drawing conclusions, it can be said that the debut of the Airacobra in the Soviet VVS was singularly successful. In skilled hands it was a powerful weapon, fully on a par with the enemy equipment. There was no "special" operational environment for the Airacobras-they were employed as normal multi-purpose fighters that fulfilled the same roles as Lavochkins and Yakovlevs: they contested with fighters, escorted bombers, flew on reconnaissance, and protected our ground forces. They differed from Soviet-produced fighters in having a more powerful armament, survivability, and a good radio, and fell behind our fighters in vertical maneuverability, capability to withstand excessive G-forces, and to execute acute maneuvers. The pilots loved their Airacobras for comfort and good protection. As one P-39 pilot expressed it, he felt like he was "flying in a safe". Airacobra pilots did not burn because the aircraft was metal and the fuel cells were positioned far away in the wing. They were not subject to jets of steam or streams of oil because the engine was behind them. Their faces were not beat up on protrusions of the gunsight. If the airplane should happen to flip over on landing, they were not turned into lump of flesh, as happened to twice HSU A. F. Klubov after transitioning from a P-39 to an La-7. There was a kind of mystical belief that a pilot attempting to preserve a damaged Cobra by belly landing it would almost always emerge not only alive, but also undamaged. But if he bailed out of the same airplane he often was seriously injured or killed by the stabilizer, which was on the same level as the door.

The regiment went into combat on 17 March 1943 from Korenovsk airfield, in the Kuban, as part of the 219th Bomber Division, 4th Air Army. The regiment fought in this subordination for the entire extent of the celebrated air campaign over the Kuban. It fought against the best German fighter squadrons: JG 51 (Mulders) and JG 3 (Green Hearts). During the period from 17 March to 20 August 1943, the regiment flew 1,625 combat sorties with a flight time of 2,072 hours. It conducted 111 aerial engagements, in which it shot down 167 and damaged an additional 29 enemy aircraft. Its losses were 30 Airacobras destroyed and 11 damaged.
For combat successes in the Kuban campaign, the 298th IAP was designated the 104th Guards IAP on 24 August 1943. The regiment commander, I. A. Taranenko, received the rank Hero of the Soviet Union and was promoted. Major V. G. Semenishin, who had been awarded HSU on 24 May 1943, was named the regiment commander on 18 July 1943. In August 1943, the newspaper Pravda published a photograph of the four best pilots of the regiment with the inscription, "Fighter pilots who, in the battle for the Kuban, have shot down 60 German aircraft: major V. Semenishin, Captains K. Vishnevetskiy and V. Drygin, Junior Lieutenant A. Vilyamson". V. M. Drygin received the HSU rank on 24 May 1943, Vishnevetskiy at the end of the Kuban campaign on 24 August 1943, and Vilyamson on 27 June 1945.

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-39/part2.htm

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« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2005, 02:57:42 PM »
Perk the P39!!!

oh, wait...
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« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2005, 03:10:50 PM »
Ponder for a moment the idea that if most fights in AH took place at 25K instead of 5Kish we'd be calling on HTC to perk the Jug!

not the La7 - which would be considered a dog...

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« Reply #74 on: March 28, 2005, 03:20:06 PM »
If your having trouble with LA-7's running away just start flyin the Tempest and run em down.
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